Where are the phase IIb results for Bimatoprost?

[baldybald]

[QUOTE=Hubris;221335]What makes you so confident in this statement? Because the CEO tweeted "committed to expanding the aesthetic market for men" and because they're working on some new packaging? Don't get me wrong, I truly hope you are correct, but it seems a bit too soon to say that this will definitely be coming to market.

The thing with bimatoprost is that it's expensive. Therefore, the results are going to have to be a lot better than minoxidil in order to justify the extra expense for the average consumer. If it does work, we're all going to be penniless

Agreed

[Hubris]

Well, when it comes to bim, it's now a question of "when" rather than "if."

What makes you so confident in this statement? Because the CEO tweeted "committed to expanding the aesthetic market for men" and because they're working on some new packaging? Don't get me wrong, I truly hope you are correct, but it seems a bit too soon to say that this will definitely be coming to market.

The thing with bimatoprost is that it's expensive. Therefore, the results are going to have to be a lot better than minoxidil in order to justify the extra expense for the average consumer. If it does work, we're all going to be penniless.

[Hubris]

Well, when it comes to bim, it's now a question of "when" rather than "if."

What makes you so confident in this statement? Because the CEO tweeted "committed to expanding the aesthetic market for men" and because they're working on some new packaging? Don't get me wrong, I truly hope you are correct, but it seems a bit too soon to say that this will definitely be coming to market.

The thing with bimatoprost is that it's expensive. As a result, the results are going to have to be a lot better than minoxidil in order to justify the extra expense for the average consumer. If it does work, we're all going to be penniless.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

2014 are you Fox Mulder? Some of your posts lead me to think so Although I do hope you are right, as we are all desperate for some good news about a decent new treatment that actually works.

Well, when it comes to bim, it's now a question of "when" rather than "if."

I think the Waco news is very interesting, as is the Q3 and pipeline update event taking place at their base for medical aesthetics. Also having the CEO tweeting out (and he doesn't tweet that much) that they are "committed to expanding the aesthetics market for men," is interesting. It's all now a question of "when," and given how things seem to be developing, I'd say they are very close.

[doinmyheadin]

2014 are you Fox Mulder? Some of your posts lead me to think so Although I do hope you are right, as we are all desperate for some good news about a decent new treatment that actually works.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

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@2014... Im not as certain as i was about bim being the new product in texas. They released this news yesterday for their new product "dry eye." Hopefully, they are still moving forward and we will find out in two weeks time.


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix....rol-news&nyo=0

No, I know. They included an image of the product and its packaging, it's in the same exact greenish bottle and box as the other "Refresh" dry eye products. It's definitely not new packaging. It's a tweak to a product they already have with new labelling, but certainly not new packaging.

They spent $7.5 million for new processing equipment to make new packaging. This means that whatever the product is, it has to be new packaging for a drug they already make.

By the way, I would just like to include that their Q3 2015 and R&D key pipeline update is taking place from their Irvine campus, which I found out is the base for their medical aesthetics unit. This is not random. They chose this location for a reason. Makes literally no sense to have presentations and a reception at the base of their medical aesthetics unit, to talk about or launch products for eye care, gastro-intestinal, women's health, urology or drugs for mental health. Everything a corporation like this does is very calculated and thoroughly planned. Which is why when they list bim a few months before this event (from the base of their medical aesthetics unit), I get suspicious. I also think their CEO tweeting out that they are "committed to expanding the aesthetic market for men," is deliberate. As it stands, tackling hair loss would be huge, because most men don't get botox or dermal fillers (unless you're on TV, but that number is very low in terms of an entire market).

[Tomtom21]

@2014... Im not as certain as i was about bim being the new product in texas. They released this news yesterday for their new product "dry eye." Hopefully, they are still moving forward and we will find out in two weeks time.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=65778&p=irol-news&nyo=0

[HelloVera]

Wouldn't this be easier to release since the active ingredient is already available in a similar thing and approved? So safety in dose would be the thing they would have to prove? Did read the company was in a lawsuit against generic brands and the money breakdown showed the generic brands was making just as much money. Over the years have seen plenty of shampoos claim to 'promote hair growth' and show a in house clinical trial as ref. It's all about wording to a lot of them so they can get away with it.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

May not mean anything, but given what's been going on I found this tweet from Allergan CEO, Brent Saunders, interesting.

Oct 17, 2015

"Committed to expanding the aesthetics market for men."

Also posted were websites with information about botox for men, as well as a study published last week regarding men, aesthetic medicine treatments, like botox, injectables etc. and what they would be likely to use, or interested in the most. Also included what subjects they were most likely to talk about with their dermatologist. The top were hair loss and facial wrinkles. A new hair loss treatment would be expanding the aesthetics market for men. Let's hope that's what he means, but I feel good about this.

[dutchguyhanging]

No treatment works for 100% of people. Even if it only works for 60% of users, if it's easier to apply and/or more effective then it's worth bringing to market. Long term effectiveness of minox is nowhere close to 100%.

thats the thing of it. we can not quantify the number and we will never be. it has to be something without doubt will work for everyone. until that day comes, minox and fin seems to be the only viable treatment.

and i dont think any big pharma will release any product unless it is the cure. lets be honest no one wants to take these drugs forever...

hairloss is a big market.. from what i see only 20-30% are actually taking these drugs... if there is a cure im sure everyone will buy it. speaking of myself I can pay up to 70 grand.. just make me NW0 without any sides and taking further drugs. and I know a lot of people who can afford that.

in other words there is a demand in the market but supply is not good enough. so buyers are not attracted and running away from the market...

[Occulus]

Some men will pay that premium even for 10 percent better results though. What other choice do you have its still cheaper than other options. Something is always better than nothing and this might work for people that fail at the other treatments since really only minox regrows anything. It surely has a good market if it works at all.

Exactly. Hell, you can make millions selling a bunch of herbs that has no affect on hair growth at all just by claiming it does. You can make a hundred million dollars by selling a concoction that is simply minoxodil (it's been done before). Something that can grow 10% more than Rogain immediately takes the market from Rogain. If Rogain sells, something that is 10% more effective will sell a lot more.

[rdawg]

Some men will pay that premium even for 10 percent better results though. What other choice do you have its still cheaper than other options. Something is always better than nothing and this might work for people that fail at the other treatments since really only minox regrows anything. It surely has a good market if it works at all.

Companies wont agree with this unless they see a profit, this is the same thing that happened with that other drug RU, it definitely had efficacy on hair but the company felt it wasnt marketable enough to sell more than FIN was already(plus one is a simple pill, the other was a topical)

Companies at the end of the day obsess over profit, if they feel it's not worth putting through a 200 million dollar trial even though it works a little bit there is nothing we can do.

[burtandernie]

"All responding AA patches showed significant reduction in their SALT score after therapy. Area B demonstrated significantly better results regarding rapidity of response in weeks, percentage of hair re-growth and side effects compared to area A."

It clearly has an affect on hair, even at low doses, just needs a higher dose, I have no doubt that it works it's just is it to the extent that BIM can sell it over minoxidil? I think the problem here is, is it marketable? is it 10% better than min, 20%, 50% etc. if it's only 5-10% better and will cost ten times more, it may not be worth it to release.

Some men will pay that premium even for 10 percent better results though. What other choice do you have its still cheaper than other options. Something is always better than nothing and this might work for people that fail at the other treatments since really only minox regrows anything. It surely has a good market if it works at all.

[Hemo]

well u dont have to state the obvious. any treatment which comes to the market should be 100% proven works for everyone. otherwise there is no money... either cure or fin minox

No treatment works for 100% of people. Even if it only works for 60% of users, if it's easier to apply and/or more effective then it's worth bringing to market. Long term effectiveness of minox is nowhere close to 100%.

[lifelonglearning]

well u dont have to state the obvious. any treatment which comes to the market should be 100% proven works for everyone. otherwise there is no money... either cure or fin minox

" While topical minoxidil exhibits a good safety profile, the efficacy in the overall population remains relatively low i.e., 30-40% re-grow hair"

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02198261