Where are the phase IIb results for Bimatoprost?

[Hemo]

I thought that was maybe possible, but it would make no sense. They projected that bim alone would be a $1Billion a year drug. Holding off means less money. Seti's gonna take a few years regardless, so they're going to forego earning billions of dollars just so they can be released at the same time? No.

Plus having bim as an introductory product to the hair loss market, Allergan can build some more awareness of their involvement in the industry. When Seti comes out, people will be more aware of their brand, as opposed to a new hair loss treatment just popping up out of the blue.

I swear I'm not trying to be an ass, but they could hold off because that's a way to "protect" bim. If they market the pair of treatments as the most effective hair loss remedy, more people are going to buy both seti and bim together rather than going to a competitor for bim (and there may be a way to protect bim this way).
You're also assuming bim is ready to go into production - if they haven't started phase 3 as you suggest, they still might be messing with it somewhat, which would obviously delay phase 3 and its subsequent release.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

This is spot on! Makes complete sense. Why mention bimatoprost for hair growth as one of the 27 programs moving forward. That does not make sense to me unless it was moving forward. My only question, where was it said that they were moving forward with 70 programs? Please let me know. Thanks for the input!

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[Gremlin142]

Great analysis

Look, I don't mind explaining things to help people out, but c'mon and help me out here.

It has been debated for the better part of a year whether or not this drug has succeeded in phase 2b. Months and months later, it is mentioned alongside with Kybella (which has launched), and two acne drugs in late phase 3 studies. It is highlighted in the late stage aesthetic drugs. If you notice, there are 27 drugs being developed for aesthetics, but they chose deliberately to mention bimatoprost for hair growth.

If they weren't continuing with the program or planning to release it, then there would be no mention at all. Instead, it is there, right next to a drug that has already launched, and two drugs that have already been engaged in phase 3 studies.

They've also recently stated publicly that they've chosen to move forward with 70 projects, and if you notice, the total number of programs there is 70!

I've posted before about seti and bim, and this proves my ideas to be correct on the matter. They are going to be used together to tackle hair loss, and they will corner the market by doing so. One stops hair loss, the other regrows, and the result should be a complete reversal of hair loss if in the early to mid stages. It also means they are close to a release for bim.

This is spot on! Makes complete sense. Why mention bimatoprost for hair growth as one of the 27 programs moving forward. That does not make sense to me unless it was moving forward. My only question, where was it said that they were moving forward with 70 programs? Please let me know. Thanks for the input!

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Since I want to just maintain im probably better off trying propecia since I have a feeling BIM is gonna cost a fortune when it comes out like any new MPB treatment. I hope everyone is saving a lot of money because they gotta make back those huge FDA expenses somehow. Atleast propecia is generic so the prices are reasonable now.

You could probably get excellent results microdosing fin a few times a wk, and then use bim on the in-between days. I think that would be very cost-effective and provide great results, assuming bim is much noticeably superior to minox.

[burtandernie]

Since I want to just maintain im probably better off trying propecia since I have a feeling BIM is gonna cost a fortune when it comes out like any new MPB treatment. I hope everyone is saving a lot of money because they gotta make back those huge FDA expenses somehow. Atleast propecia is generic so the prices are reasonable now.

[dus]

I hope youre right on that 2014, cause there are plenty of us that would use it even if the results were less than stellar. But what im afraid of, and why i think they might hold it back, is because if its not super effective and just a little better than minox, it may give bim a bad name and turn the average consumer off from using it.

Average joe will pay 40 dollars for minor growth via minox, but would he pay $100 a month for bim if its only slightly better??? Theres no doubt bim will cost much more. I think average joe would pass on high priced bim and opt for minox given growth rate may be comparable.

Now if the bim/seti combo gives way way more growth, then i see them being able to cash in on all groups. And having bim introduced at a time where seti is doing all the heavy lifting, then right out the gate it would appear the seti/bim combo is worth every penny and neither product would suffer from negative word of mouth since they are more powerful together than they are alone

Again though i would love to be an early adopter of a bim product( just for hope alone) and i really want it to be powerful enough to work by itself. Its just this game they are playing makes me wonder and worry

The producers of BIM aren't stupid. They know competition is going to heat up in the next 3 - 5 years (lol). If they have a product they will release it and make money while the going is good.

[champpy]

I hope youre right on that 2014, cause there are plenty of us that would use it even if the results were less than stellar. But what im afraid of, and why i think they might hold it back, is because if its not super effective and just a little better than minox, it may give bim a bad name and turn the average consumer off from using it.

Average joe will pay 40 dollars for minor growth via minox, but would he pay $100 a month for bim if its only slightly better??? Theres no doubt bim will cost much more. I think average joe would pass on high priced bim and opt for minox given growth rate may be comparable.

Now if the bim/seti combo gives way way more growth, then i see them being able to cash in on all groups. And having bim introduced at a time where seti is doing all the heavy lifting, then right out the gate it would appear the seti/bim combo is worth every penny and neither product would suffer from negative word of mouth since they are more powerful together than they are alone

Again though i would love to be an early adopter of a bim product( just for hope alone) and i really want it to be powerful enough to work by itself. Its just this game they are playing makes me wonder and worry

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

I think bims development will stay on hold until development of seti catches up. that way they can both be released together.
If seti proves to be effective then bim will be launched as an add on growth stimulant. I don't think they're progressing further now because it's not effective enough by itself.
that's why I think they're hush hush on this project. I don't think it's good enough to stand on its own. it's not dead but it's not the miracle we think it may be
This is just my guess though

I thought that was maybe possible, but it would make no sense. They projected that bim alone would be a $1Billion a year drug. Holding off means less money. Seti's gonna take a few years regardless, so they're going to forego earning billions of dollars just so they can be released at the same time? No.

Plus having bim as an introductory product to the hair loss market, Allergan can build some more awareness of their involvement in the industry. When Seti comes out, people will be more aware of their brand, as opposed to a new hair loss treatment just popping up out of the blue.

[champpy]

I think bims development will stay on hold until development of seti catches up. that way they can both be released together.
If seti proves to be effective then bim will be launched as an add on growth stimulant. I don't think they're progressing further now because it's not effective enough by itself.
that's why I think they're hush hush on this project. I don't think it's good enough to stand on its own. it's not dead but it's not the miracle we think it may be
This is just my guess though

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Great post, Ziggy.

My only question is: if this drug showed results, why in the hell would they slow down development by a year? Makes absolutely no sense. These will be paired together imo, but Seti's development is going to take longer regardless, so why do that?

That is the only reason I believe development has continued. I've believed it's been successful all along. You all can believe what you want, but I believe the drug has still been in development. I think it's possible for an announcement or launch towards the end of the year, which is also when seti is set to start trials.

[Ziggyz123]

I have no doubts in bim. Like is said, last time I saw my deem which was like two months ago, she and I got to talking about future treatments and she knew of "a drug for eyelashes that showed real results for mpb".. Bim is probably going to be paired with seti just as 2014 thinks. It fits perfectly and will most likely end the hair loss battle for most. I wouldn't really expect too much news from it until more news from seri comes along actually. But those are my thoughts and every one has different opinions. Some people even like Linkin park..

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

He's wearing down!

lol u moron, bim is still going strong

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

2014 where did you read the key drug pipeline being discussed Nov 4th. I suppose its good and bad becauze we will find out if bim is moving to phase three but i highly doubt we will find it has already been in phase three this entire time...
If bigentries were willing, he could re attempt to talk to someone from allergan and let us all know?

it's on p. 27 of the pdf.

I agree with you, it is doubtful that a launch for bim will be announced, but I still do believe it's possible. I've posted my own reasons for believing that, but I won't get into it.

It was "BiqqieSmalls," who's the investor in contact with Allergan.

BTW - Thanks A LOT, for posting about the pdf presentation. I would've never caught that if it wasn't for you.

[Tomtom21]

2014 where did you read the key drug pipeline being discussed Nov 4th. I suppose its good and bad becauze we will find out if bim is moving to phase three but i highly doubt we will find it has already been in phase three this entire time...
If bigentries were willing, he could re attempt to talk to someone from allergan and let us all know?

[JayM]

He's wearing down!

Congratulations?