Where are the phase IIb results for Bimatoprost?

[dus]

I mean let's stop talking about this BS stuff because it is minoxidil 2 or maybe less effective.it is 2015 already !!

If people have been burned too many times with failed products/ depressed and don't want to hear speculation, which is logically going to happend in the Cutting Edge / Future Treatments part of the forum... I suggest not coming to these parts. If a product finally arrives you'll hear it on the news. Making fake accounts to ridicule someone is just ****ing sad.

[JayM]

I mean let's stop talking about this BS stuff because it is minoxidil 2 or maybe less effective.it is 2015 already !!

Do you even know the mechanism of how it's supposed to work?

[baldybald]

I mean let's stop talking about this BS stuff because it is minoxidil 2 or maybe less effective.it is 2015 already !!

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Yeah another account made solely for ridicule. This is one goddamn immature forum.

Yeah, you're right. People can be really petty and small, if it's part of your behavior, society and your peers will see you as such. Nothing but an ant.

I'm off this thing. Some people listen to crap like Linkin Park, I prefer Wyclef Jean. I'll be gone till November.

[dus]

Yeah another account made solely for ridicule. This is one goddamn immature forum.

[Keki]

Anyway it's a good news they mentioned bim for scalp, last time was at the end of the year iirc or even before, the project it's not dead and it's acutally stupid to mention it if they didn't continue the project come on it's totally retard

[It's2016ComeOnAlready]

Look, I don't mind explaining things to help people out, but c'mon and help me out here.

It has been debated for the better part of a year whether or not this drug has succeeded in phase 2b. Months and months later, it is mentioned alongside with Kybella (which has launched), and two acne drugs in late phase 3 studies. It is highlighted in the late stage aesthetic drugs. If you notice, there are 27 drugs being developed for aesthetics, but they chose deliberately to mention bimatoprost for hair growth.

If they weren't continuing with the program or planning to release it, then there would be no mention at all. Instead, it is there, right next to a drug that has already launched, and two drugs that have already been engaged in phase 3 studies.

They've also recently stated publicly that they've chosen to move forward with 70 projects, and if you notice, the total number of programs there is 70!

I've posted before about seti and bim, and this proves my ideas to be correct on the matter. They are going to be used together to tackle hair loss, and they will corner the market by doing so. One stops hair loss, the other regrows, and the result should be a complete reversal of hair loss if in the early to mid stages. It also means they are close to a release for bim.

--- That's a post I made earlier, it is proof enough. If they weren't proceeding, it wouldn't have been included in the presentation, or mentioned directly among the 27 late stage aesthetics programs. It also wouldn't have been mentioned among the 70 programs they've decided to move forward with as stated by head of Branding R&D, David Nicholson.

Being lumped together among the 70 programs they've chosen to move forward with, leaves nothing to interpretation.

Sorry, Swooping, you are dead wrong.

Hmm, I guess you're right. I can't wait for a cure any longer.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

Look, I don't mind explaining things to help people out, but c'mon and help me out here.

It has been debated for the better part of a year whether or not this drug has succeeded in phase 2b. Months and months later, it is mentioned alongside with Kybella (which has launched), and two acne drugs in late phase 3 studies. It is highlighted in the late stage aesthetic drugs. If you notice, there are 27 drugs being developed for aesthetics, but they chose deliberately to mention bimatoprost for hair growth.

If they weren't continuing with the program or planning to release it, then there would be no mention at all. Instead, it is there, right next to a drug that has already launched, and two drugs that have already been engaged in phase 3 studies.

They've also recently stated publicly that they've chosen to move forward with 70 projects, and if you notice, the total number of programs there is 70!

I've posted before about seti and bim, and this proves my ideas to be correct on the matter. They are going to be used together to tackle hair loss, and they will corner the market by doing so. One stops hair loss, the other regrows, and the result should be a complete reversal of hair loss if in the early to mid stages. It also means they are close to a release for bim.

--- That's a post I made earlier, it is proof enough. If they weren't proceeding, it wouldn't have been included in the presentation, or mentioned directly among the 27 late stage aesthetics programs. It also wouldn't have been mentioned among the 70 programs they've decided to move forward with as stated by head of Branding R&D, David Nicholson.

Being lumped together among the 70 programs they've chosen to move forward with, leaves nothing to interpretation.

Sorry, Swooping, you are dead wrong.

[Swooping]

So, you're another Linkin Park Fan? lol

Anyway "quoted for truth," you said the drug failed the program was over. It's quite the opposite, actually.

Nope. I said they would never initiate a phase 3 trial. The PDF you posted proves nothing and leaves to much for interpretation. Come back to me when you have a confirmation of a phase 3 initiation. I obviously do hope you'll be right, but I don't see it happening.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

QFT lol. Reality will hit hard anyway. What a pity.

So, you're another Linkin Park Fan? lol

Anyway "quoted for truth," you said the drug failed the program was over. It's quite the opposite, actually.

[Swooping]

Your unbridled hope feels like a linkin' park song. I tried so hard and got so faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar, but in the end it doesnt even matttter.

You're going to look silly when you're forced to change the username to 2017

QFT lol. Reality will hit hard anyway. What a pity.

[dus]

But the thing we are not taking into account, we know bim works on eyelashes to make them fuller and longer. But eyelashes are not going through MPB.

Even if it works to stimulate growth whatever is causing our hair to fall out may negate the effects of bim. If this is true they do need both treatments; one to retain hair and the other to spur growth.

That's why im afraid bim wont be released until Seti is ready to go. I don't think bim alone will keep hair if MPB is trying to kill it off. Once they are sure seti works, then I believe we will see them move to phase 3. Although by that time hopefully the 21st Century Cures act will be up and running so maybe phase 3 will be eliminated.

I hope and pray 2014already is right, but I think this is the more logical answer as to whats going on

This doesn't even make any sense. You are basically making the argument that there is no market for Minox at this point in time. Of course everybody knows there IS a huge market for Minox. If BIM is only slightly better most of us would be switching... plus you don't even take into account that a lot of guys get sides from Minox (me included) but who are just fine on Fin. There is a market. End of discussion. If it works it will be released as soon as possible.

[It's2014ComeOnAlready]

I swear I'm not trying to be an ass, but they could hold off because that's a way to "protect" bim. If they market the pair of treatments as the most effective hair loss remedy, more people are going to buy both seti and bim together rather than going to a competitor for bim (and there may be a way to protect bim this way).
You're also assuming bim is ready to go into production - if they haven't started phase 3 as you suggest, they still might be messing with it somewhat, which would obviously delay phase 3 and its subsequent release.

No, I get you, Hemo. You definitely provide some thought-provoking arguments, and I appreciate them.

To respond to your idea - They have a patent for bim at the correct concentration of use for hair loss. It is protected by law. Yes, other companies can produce bimatoprost, but once Allergan has a licensed, official product, not only would it be illegal, but it would be like some knock-off generic cola trying to rip-off classic coke.

My point about not releasing phase 2b results has mostly to do with the idea that once word is out, labs like kane or whoever (chinese knock-off companies) could buy the powder, make the right concentration, and sell it to desperate hair-loss sufferers. It would put people at risk of using an unregulated product, as well as taking from potential profits that Allergan would make from their product. Brand loyalty is very important, and you want the best out there. Likely any knock-off won't be as good, because Allergan's is a special formulation that includes a penetration enhancer to the scalp (I read that in the patent). I sincerely doubt that a reputable company would risk doing something illegal as violating a patent to the extent of copying the formula, and then selling it themselves. There would be lawsuits out the wazoo.

Also, I sincerely doubt that they are still messing with it, because the issue prior to phase 2b was concentration. From what I understand, they fixed that, and added a penetration enhancer.

[champpy]

But the thing we are not taking into account, we know bim works on eyelashes to make them fuller and longer. But eyelashes are not going through MPB.

Even if it works to stimulate growth whatever is causing our hair to fall out may negate the effects of bim. If this is true they do need both treatments; one to retain hair and the other to spur growth.

That's why im afraid bim wont be released until Seti is ready to go. I don't think bim alone will keep hair if MPB is trying to kill it off. Once they are sure seti works, then I believe we will see them move to phase 3. Although by that time hopefully the 21st Century Cures act will be up and running so maybe phase 3 will be eliminated.

I hope and pray 2014already is right, but I think this is the more logical answer as to whats going on

[hellouser]

Pretty much everything everyone has posted in the last few pages is nothing more than just speculation. Bim results not even released still is an insult to everyone and without that vital information, all you guys are giving BIM high praise.

Terrible logic.