follicept - what's this?

[follicept]

Hi Guys,

To clarify a few things:

Looking to get the IGF-1 in asap. We are still on target for beginning trials the moment that happens (hopefully next couple weeks), and launching a private batch in summer or fall. Our timeline is/was ambitious, but not unrealistic. We can still get you something soon. I said US launch, because we are still looking into a European launch and don't have enough information yet to promise the same timeline. Doesn't meant we can't or won't get it there at the same time, but our whole message here is not promising something we cannot confidently deliver.

What I am kind of thinking right now is since our first supply may be limited, do a presale on indiegogo or something with different levels. We charge much more for those willing to pay to get this ASAP, and the others are just buying at a lower level, closer to what it will be when regularly on the market that we will ship "as soon as available". Then, use the funding from all this to make our own supply chain and get rid of the problem altogether! Make sense? Don't hold me to all this, just spitballing my early thoughts to keep you guys apprised. I will give more detailed info when I can as we move along.

Keki- I am looking into your suggestions but it may be more complex than that. Still, appreciate the suggestion and are discussing with team and advisors.

Thanks everyone for the support, questions, and paper links/suggestions!

As for the continued accusations of snake oil. Worry not, not taking any money until we have trial results.

[breakbot]

I believe it's a scam. I suppose nobody cares for each other opinion but
If i was a scientist i wouldn't make a site for a product claiming that it is better than rogaine without any evidence(mice is only for laugh). And even if they come the next month and tell us about 1700 new hair, like neogenic or cg etc, which i suppose it will happen. Histogen and other companies can't overpass minoxidil results where one of the factors is igf1 and these guys with their magic delivery system will. No, there is no magic delivery, injections can deliver the growth factor as it should be.

[Hairismylife]

I believe it's a scam. I suppose nobody cares for each other opinion but
If i was a scientist i wouldn't make a site for a product claiming that it is better than rogaine without any evidence(mice is only for laugh). And even if they come the next month and tell us about 1700 new hair, like neogenic or cg etc, which i suppose it ill happen. Histogen and other companies can't overpass minoxidil results where one of the factors is igf1 and these guys with their magic delivery system will. No, there is no magic delivery, injections can deliver the growth factor as it should be.

Devon could you please give a comment on this?

[follicept]

Devon could you please give a comment on this?

What can I say that hasn't already been said? Many of you have seen Dr. Hsu's pedigree and know the quality he is. He ran programs in Singapore, at Harvard, and was recruited to UF. The underlying technology to deliver large molecules including IGF-1 has gotten us invited to present at the American Diabetes Association annual meeting and the European Society for Pediatric Endocrinology. Large pharma companies are in various stages of discussion with us about using our formulation for various drugs. The scientific community is taking us very seriously. It's not magic delivery, it is a scientific breakthrough. Just got word that our patent may be issues very soon. Everything is impossible until it is done successfully. We are not playing with your emotions or taking your money. We believe in this. Sometime soon, once we are over the hurdle, I will tell you the full story of the challenges and sacrifices we have made to try to get this thing to work. I understand the skepticism, but we will prove skeptics wrong. That is our job. With that said, we are able to accomplish a lot more, and it is easier to get out of bed knowing people support us than waking up to people calling us scammers. By and large you guys are awesome, and I can't thank you enough. We are getting close to calling on you for your support, and I will let you know when that time comes. Until then, we are working diligently to get a product that helps you and helps our company change the world, not just in hair growth. Check out Prometheon Pharma's website for more information about us, maybe that will help.

[DerekM228]

Hi Guys,

To clarify a few things:

Looking to get the IGF-1 in asap. We are still on target for beginning trials the moment that happens (hopefully next couple weeks), and launching a private batch in summer or fall. Our timeline is/was ambitious, but not unrealistic. We can still get you something soon. I said US launch, because we are still looking into a European launch and don't have enough information yet to promise the same timeline. Doesn't meant we can't or won't get it there at the same time, but our whole message here is not promising something we cannot confidently deliver.

What I am kind of thinking right now is since our first supply may be limited, do a presale on indiegogo or something with different levels. We charge much more for those willing to pay to get this ASAP, and the others are just buying at a lower level, closer to what it will be when regularly on the market that we will ship "as soon as available". Then, use the funding from all this to make our own supply chain and get rid of the problem altogether! Make sense? Don't hold me to all this, just spitballing my early thoughts to keep you guys apprised. I will give more detailed info when I can as we move along.

Keki- I am looking into your suggestions but it may be more complex than that. Still, appreciate the suggestion and are discussing with team and advisors.

Thanks everyone for the support, questions, and paper links/suggestions!

As for the continued accusations of snake oil. Worry not, not taking any money until we have trial results.

Devon -- Some people in this thread will say no, citing their previous remarks "SCAM: They're going to take our money and run!!", but I'm absolutely up for this idea. I'm committed to helping out the team and am looking forward to giving the gel a go.

[dus]

This all sounds rather suspicious. I'm out.

[follicept]

Devon -- Some people in this thread will say no, citing their previous remarks "SCAM: They're going to take our money and run!!", but I'm absolutely up for this idea. I'm committed to helping out the team and am looking forward to giving the gel a go.

Thanks, much appreciated. Thinking of doing a video chat sometime soon with Dr. Hsu and myself, like a live AMA to really answer questions and help people understand what we're about. Maybe the next few weeks. And it is so tempting to make note of the names on here disparaging us and blacklist them if it works. But that would be small and petty, we're here to help

[Hairismylife]

Devon, don't get me wrong, support you as always!
Just want you to clarify the point that breakbot raised.
Injection of IGF-1 should enable molecules to reach the target cells but yet no good results.
What's the difference between your delivery method and injection?
Thanks Devon.
You know you are our only hope this year…

[follicept]

Devon, don't get me wrong, support you as always!
Just want you to clarify the point that breakbot raised.
Injection of IGF-1 should enable molecules to reach the target cells but yet no good results.
What's the difference between your delivery method and injection?
Thanks Devon.
You know you are our only hope this year…

Sorry, missed that. What study(ies) are you referring to? We have a paper of injection of IGF-1 in mice that turned out pretty well. Lot of traffic here, did I miss a human one? If so will have science team review and let you know.

[noisette]

Our french community is behind you, we are excited about your product. Wish you the best for your team, lab from University of Floride. Many thanks Devon for your kindly post.

[Swooping]

Follicept? More like Foll A Shit. This ain't going to do anything for hair loss. Even if it does, won't be good enough.

Haha, nice one. Best comment in this thread.

[Jagger]

What can I say that hasn't already been said? Many of you have seen Dr. Hsu's pedigree and know the quality he is. He ran programs in Singapore, at Harvard, and was recruited to UF. The underlying technology to deliver large molecules including IGF-1 has gotten us invited to present at the American Diabetes Association annual meeting and the European Society for Pediatric Endocrinology. Large pharma companies are in various stages of discussion with us about using our formulation for various drugs. The scientific community is taking us very seriously. It's not magic delivery, it is a scientific breakthrough. Just got word that our patent may be issues very soon. Everything is impossible until it is done successfully. We are not playing with your emotions or taking your money. We believe in this. Sometime soon, once we are over the hurdle, I will tell you the full story of the challenges and sacrifices we have made to try to get this thing to work. I understand the skepticism, but we will prove skeptics wrong. That is our job. With that said, we are able to accomplish a lot more, and it is easier to get out of bed knowing people support us than waking up to people calling us scammers. By and large you guys are awesome, and I can't thank you enough. We are getting close to calling on you for your support, and I will let you know when that time comes. Until then, we are working diligently to get a product that helps you and helps our company change the world, not just in hair growth. Check out Prometheon Pharma's website for more information about us, maybe that will help.

Haters gon' hate, Dev. Understand that many of the people in this community are jaded. Others are very excited for your work. Plus, if it works - won't it be satisfying to rub it in?

[follicept]

Haters gon' hate, Dev. Understand that many of the people in this community are jaded. Others are very excited for your work. Plus, if it works - won't it be satisfying to rub it in?

Roger that!

[noisette]

Just for fun, Devon, is it a sign ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Y1ukLns0w

[follicept]

Just for fun, Devon, is it a sign ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Y1ukLns0w

Hahahaha!