follicept - what's this?

[tf2legend]

I believe it's a scam. I suppose nobody cares for each other opinion but
If i was a scientist i wouldn't make a site for a product claiming that it is better than rogaine without any evidence(mice is only for laugh). And even if they come the next month and tell us about 1700 new hair, like neogenic or cg etc, which i suppose it will happen. Histogen and other companies can't overpass minoxidil results where one of the factors is igf1 and these guys with their magic delivery system will. No, there is no magic delivery, injections can deliver the growth factor as it should be.

I don't think you understand the meaning of a scam. A scam would be if they fabricated the photos, fabricated the human trials and proceeded to release this product anyway. I don't think the University of Florida is interested in being involved with a scam. These aren't some guys off the street trying to sell you snake oil. Could you imagine the backlash they would receive if they lied to everyone about this? They have their name and reputation on the line and I don't think they would risk it for some snake oil.

However, you do have every right to be skeptical and so does everyone here. You can question its potential, you can question its effectiveness, but I don't think its fair to call it an outright scam.

Now to get to the real question “Will this work?" Personally, I think its a long shot. I think we still have ways to go before there is a siginifcant breakthrough in AGA, but thats just my gut feeling..

I will keep an eye on this for sure but I am not ready to put all my eggs in it

[breakbot]

I don't think you understand the meaning of a scam. A scam would be if they fabricated the photos, fabricated the human trials and proceeded to release this product anyway. I don't think the University of Florida is interested in being involved with a scam. These aren't some guys off the street trying to sell you snake oil. Could you imagine the backlash they would receive if they lied to everyone about this? They have their name and reputation on the line and I don't think they would risk it for some snake oil.

However, you do have every right to be skeptical and so does everyone here. You can question its potential, you can question its effectiveness, but I don't think its fair to call it an outright scam.

Now to get to the real question “Will this work?" Personally, I think its a long shot. I think we still have ways to go before there is a siginifcant breakthrough in AGA, but thats just my gut feeling..

I will keep an eye on this for sure but I am not ready to put all my eggs in it

They didn't fabricate the human trials because they have no human trials. In my book this is worse. Many products backed up by scientists have failed. This is not a study by the university of Florida, but a claim from a company.
Ok maybe it would be great if it 'll work but it won't.
I hope im wrong, but i don't think so.

[bananana]

Love the "its a scam" comments from guys with 1-3 posts here.

Devon has been very kind to us here, and some of you keep thrashing him with no reason at all.
I understand you're very angry we don't have a cure yet, but please be kind to the only guy out here working for the good cause and being our only connection to scientists right now.

You think it's a scam? Fine, don't buy it.

Simple as that.

[stayhopeful]

Just for fun, Devon, is it a sign ? www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Y1ukLns0w

This will be us in just a few months, hopefully. If follicept works I'll sign up for a life supple instantly

[Jagger]

This will be us in just a few months, hopefully. If follicept works I'll sign up for a life supple instantly

If it works as well as whatever Homer was using, I'm gonna quit my job and become Fabio.

[NOhairNOlife]

Follicept? More like Foll A Shit. This ain't going to do anything for hair loss. Even if it does, won't be good enough.

I'm really annoyed by some of the people making these rude comments towards Devon/follicept. He has been upfront and even he, himself has admitted that he doesn't know if this will work. He's not asking for money so what have you lost?! just some time reading this thread. Why do people make these comments doesdoes it make you feel betterbetter about yourself?!
If you don't like this thread don't read it.
so please stop cluttering the thread with this nonsense

Exogenous IGF-1 promotes hair growth ...

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1096637414000239

Devon when he thinks you may begin treatment ?.

If you can post pictures of follicept running many foreros we could donate an amount to assist in marketing procedures .
regards

Let's be honest everything makes hair grow on mice. Lol

Devon / follicept please keep up the good work. And don't listen to the haters. Honestly don't even bother responding to them.

[breakbot]

Ok again to Follicept: Which is the difference of follicept's delivery and the injectable way?

[sdsurfin]

Common courtesy people. There's a difference between a scam artist and an esteemed scientist with an unproven but hypothetically great possibility of success. If you can't tell the difference then please finish your schooling and learn respect before you worry about hair.

Also update on TLR- he's trying to put together a compound similar to CB in it's side effect profile but more potent. Also trying to improve on pgd2 blockers He studied steroid chemistry and this is his field of expertise. Hang tight.

[sdsurfin]

Ok again to Follicept: Which is the difference of follicept's delivery and the injectable way?

It's not the same. You can't inject something directly into a follicle. Injections go into the bloodstream. The point of this is to get very small doses very effectively into the hair chamber via the top of the skin.

[diffuseloser]

I agree. Some of the comments in this thread are completely uncalled for. Ive been reluctant to even comment on this thread cos some wise ass will no doubt have something smart to say. Let's give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They have been nothing but forthcoming and open with us so its not reasonable to just write them off until they can give us some evidence or otherwise. We wait and wait for news and developments in this field and when they come to us, we just shoot them down. It is understandable because of the constant disappointment but wouldn't it make sense to pull together and offer a bit of support as a whole? We're all after the same thing. Thanks to all you guys offering valuable input in these threads, sdsurfin keep it up.

[NeedHairASAP]

Hi Guys,

To clarify a few things:

Looking to get the IGF-1 in asap. We are still on target for beginning trials the moment that happens (hopefully next couple weeks), and launching a private batch in summer or fall. Our timeline is/was ambitious, but not unrealistic. We can still get you something soon. I said US launch, because we are still looking into a European launch and don't have enough information yet to promise the same timeline. Doesn't meant we can't or won't get it there at the same time, but our whole message here is not promising something we cannot confidently deliver.

What I am kind of thinking right now is since our first supply may be limited, do a presale on indiegogo or something with different levels. We charge much more for those willing to pay to get this ASAP, and the others are just buying at a lower level, closer to what it will be when regularly on the market that we will ship "as soon as available". Then, use the funding from all this to make our own supply chain and get rid of the problem altogether! Make sense? Don't hold me to all this, just spitballing my early thoughts to keep you guys apprised. I will give more detailed info when I can as we move along.

Keki- I am looking into your suggestions but it may be more complex than that. Still, appreciate the suggestion and are discussing with team and advisors.

Thanks everyone for the support, questions, and paper links/suggestions!

As for the continued accusations of snake oil. Worry not, not taking any money until we have trial results.

Do you have an estimated date for releasing the results from the 2-4 week human trials?

You'll be releasing those results before the indiegogo correct?

I'd have to imagine if the human trials go that well, you should be able to find a partner to get that igf-1. I can't imagine somebody holding the key to a multi-billion dollar baldness cure and not being able to find a partner who can mass produce igf-1 as needed.

[noisette]

I agree. Some of the comments in this thread are completely uncalled for. Ive been reluctant to even comment on this thread cos some wise ass will no doubt have something smart to say. Let's give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They have been nothing but forthcoming and open with us so its not reasonable to just write them off until they can give us some evidence or otherwise. We wait and wait for news and developments in this field and when they come to us, we just shoot them down. It is understandable because of the constant disappointment but wouldn't it make sense to pull together and offer a bit of support as a whole? We're all after the same thing. Thanks to all you guys offering valuable input in these threads, sdsurfin keep it up.

+1
It's exactly what i think.

[burtandernie]

The comments from them at least show intent they are trying their best. Not much more you can ask for. The rest of these threads usually turn into endless speculation during the inevitable long wait for release or just news on progress. Once it comes out people can judge it then.

[Mar2]

Cant blame people for being skeptical, with all the possible "cures" to baldness leading nowhere and the millions of products out their claiming to stop hair loss, here we are still loosing our hair with the best treatments doing nothing more than slightly slowing down the progression of AGA.

[dus]

I agree. Some of the comments in this thread are completely uncalled for. Ive been reluctant to even comment on this thread cos some wise ass will no doubt have something smart to say. Let's give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They have been nothing but forthcoming and open with us so its not reasonable to just write them off until they can give us some evidence or otherwise. We wait and wait for news and developments in this field and when they come to us, we just shoot them down. It is understandable because of the constant disappointment but wouldn't it make sense to pull together and offer a bit of support as a whole? We're all after the same thing. Thanks to all you guys offering valuable input in these threads, sdsurfin keep it up.

Last time we had an "open" doctor he ended up disfiguring a couple of forum members. I'm not shooting down their science. I just find their ways of financing rather strange, for a product that is supposed to be better than minoxidil. I won't comment on this thread anymore and will just wait and see how this all plays out.