adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[nameless]

Alias, with all due respect, there's no point asking swooping, no-one will know, as the treatment isn't yet widely used.
The research produced is hopeful though, even though the process isn't exactly the same, so that should help you make your decision.
I too have said that I would like the treatment with them, and now trying to work out a suitable consultation date.

On another note, and this is directed to everyone looking at this thread;

How would we inject this stuff and how would we know if they really did what they told you they would do?

I have been in contact with a number of labs (mainly in europe) who take stem cells from your adipose tissue sample (which you send them) and will then cultivate the stem cells under hypoxic conditions (as documented in the research by Fukuoka). They will then extract the secreted growth factors and provide in return a lyophilised product, which you then mix with some sort of reagent to then inject.

I would like to know how many people are interested in doing this, providing they are able to find somewhere to take a fat sample, pack it up and send it (which in theory shouldn't be too difficult), and send it to the lab.
This is of course not likely to be that cheap, but given enough people interested, I can make contact and determine how well equipped the lab is and whether they can lower the cost of their production.
There shouldn't be any problem with this from a legal standpoint, as they are your cells and your growth factors, and ultimately your decision.

IF there is reasonable interest, by which I mean pushing towards the hundred mark, then I will make an effort to organise it.
Please note, before you get your hopes up, I'm not making any promises - if there isn't enough interest or I can't organise this with a lab, then it won't come off.

How would we inject this stuff and how would we know if they really did what they told you they would do? There is some concern that they could send us back saline solution or some other gimmick. Are the labs legitimate?

[nameless]

after being in touch with both of the companies, the one in vienna and the one in switzerland/greece i have gotten different responses.
the once in switzerland/Greece is 8000 euro and the one in vienna is 5000 euro. the one for 8000 promises complete stop of hairloss and regrowth, but the one for 5000 says :

<<and does it completley stop loss for how long?

it prompts new growth, we have not evaluated whether it also stops the loss, but probably reduces the loss as you will have more hair after treatment.

http://ddrheinrich.com/ is the one for 5000
http://www.arsmedical.info/template-...tem-cells.html is the one for 8000.
Please guide me in my choice of treatment, i find it really hard to think that one for almost twice the amount is THAT much better? thank you.

The Switzerland treatment uses the more appropriate cells. That's why they can promise a better response.

[nameless]

thank you HGS1989, but im living near vienna so the one for 5000 would actually be much more convienient then going to boston! but do you think the one in vienna is legit? that is the one for 5000 based on the journals posted earlier by me above, the link again
http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-...n-hair-tissue/

Alias the one in Boston is NOT the same as the one in Switzerland. The one in Boston is SVR, which has a little bit of adipose stem cells but it also has other stuff inside and it has a low content of adipose derived stem cells.

Alias the best one is the one in Switzerland if they are telling the truth about what they do. If they are harvesting fat tissue, separating the adipose derived stem cells, culturing those cells and then injecting them into you scalp then that is your best chance. And that is what you said they are doing. I would do the one in Switzerland if I was you. Yea, it's more expensive but if they are doing what they they claim it would probably give you the best result.

[nameless]

Agreed. Haven't done any research into all this, skimmed through this topic but I'd be VERY VERY skeptical, at first sight all this looks like another snake oil to me, but can't say just yet. Did anyone do any research ? Into the authors of the study etc ?

I don't think it's snake oil but I do think he should have gotten the swiss one instead. It looks like he got SVR, which is a bunch of stuff that includes adipose derived stem cells. But the Swiss treatment looks like pure adipose derived stem cells. That sounds like the way to do this. It's too bad it's so expensive.

[Haircure]

I understand the studies better than you realize.

My main problem with you is that you are a "paralysis by analysis" time-wasting girly-man griper. Guys like you don't move forward because you waste too much time. Even now you foolishly talk about how the fat cells information gathered by Yale and being put into clinical research by Jahoda, Gardner, and many other researchers is nothing but a "concept idea." of course this means that now you're griping because it's not fully vetted. And when is it going to be fully vetted? Oh in about 4 or 5 years. So right off the bat this is another example of your silly "paralysis by analysis" time-wasting. And what will you be doing during the 3, 4, or 5 year delay while researchers fully vet "concept idea" for you? Well, you will be going to websites like tb.t to gripe like a girl how there's nothing available.

You're a weak person and you waste time because of your weakness.

Open up your eyes! AAPE is nature's very own version of Histogen's HSC. That's the point. AAPE is Histogen made by mommy nature. Combined with other ingredients it turns into HARG.

Histogen owns HSC so you can't make it or get it until Histogen says OK. But you could possibly get AAPE/HARG except for the fact that you're too busy griping like a girl and "paralysis by analysis" wasting time.

The evidence is sufficient. We should not waste years while Science gathers more proof that AAPE/HARG should solve our problem. We already have enough info to realize that unless we are of the nature to fritter away years griping like girls and "paralysis by analysis" delaying.

You need to get your head on straight! You need to stop over-analyzing things. You need to stop trying to "Play" a scientist at hair websites and instead start doing the smart thing to get your hair back instead.

How do you understand studies when you can't even read them properly? It's incredibly ironic you keep bringing up my apparent "griping" because I recall that your in your late 40s and have been involved with many hair loss forums for years crying and complaining how life is unfair. What's worse is that every single forum you've joined, the only thing you've done is annoy and disrespect members, spam irrelevant long posts, and support snake oil treatments and people like Nigam for god knows what reason. Do everyone a favour here, and actually try to post something relevant and meaningful and actually TRY to understand what you read from scientific articles and then maybe you can put that "120 IQ" to some use.

[nameless]

How do you understand studies when you can't even read them properly? It's incredibly ironic you keep bringing up my apparent "griping" because I recall that your in your late 40s and have been involved with many hair loss forums for years crying and complaining how life is unfair. What's worse is that every single forum you've joined, the only thing you've done is annoy and disrespect members, spam irrelevant long posts, and support snake oil treatments and people like Nigam for god knows what reason. Do everyone a favour here, and actually try to post something relevant and meaningful and actually TRY to understand what you read from scientific articles and then maybe you can put that "120 IQ" to some use.

* There's a difference between my griping and yours. I'm pro-active and willing to consider things that are rooted in good science whereas you gripe while you dismiss treatments that are rooted in good science. It's OK to gripe if you also be a man about it and do what you can to solve your problem, but to gripe while you reject solutions that are staring you in the face is weakness. This is what our disagreement has been about all along but I guess you forgot that.

* It doesn't matter if some people have gotten annoyed by me; it just matters whether or not I'm right or wrong. The sub-par intellects got annoyed with Galileo too. And at one point or another almost every poster at every site has gotten at least one other poster annoyed.

* Give me a break! I don't support snake oil treatments. The treatments I support are rooted in good science at the time I support them.

* I have stated many time my reason for supporting Nigam - he's willing to try things that the researchers are only doing in the labs. I've said this hundreds of times but for God knows what reason you're incapable of comprehending my position. And of course I have a valid point - Dr. Nigam is one of very few clinicians who would be willing to try things years before they're approved. Now don't forget to complain in your next post that you don't understand why I support Dr. Nigam.

* I reject everything you've said in your post. It's all bs or irrelevant.

* I'm still somewhat interested in AAPE but my latest idea is to try adipose derived stem cells.

[Arashi]

How do you understand studies when you can't even read them properly? It's incredibly ironic you keep bringing up my apparent "griping" because I recall that your in your late 40s and have been involved with many hair loss forums for years crying and complaining how life is unfair. What's worse is that every single forum you've joined, the only thing you've done is annoy and disrespect members, spam irrelevant long posts, and support snake oil treatments and people like Nigam for god knows what reason. Do everyone a favour here, and actually try to post something relevant and meaningful and actually TRY to understand what you read from scientific articles and then maybe you can put that "120 IQ" to some use.

Best post in this 25 page thread !

[Alias123]

Update!

cut my hair short straight after the treatment to notice loss closer. Cant say i got any regrowth in the small bald areas around my temples, but also cant really say if i got any further loss. At this point i should atleast see small small hairs at the temples if it works, but again its only been 4 weeks and results should take 4-12 weeks... anyway if you have any further questions just know that i am still following my process with hope that it will atleast stop my loss.

[Arashi]

How do you understand studies when you can't even read them properly? It's incredibly ironic you keep bringing up my apparent "griping" because I recall that your in your late 40s and have been involved with many hair loss forums for years crying and complaining how life is unfair. What's worse is that every single forum you've joined, the only thing you've done is annoy and disrespect members, spam irrelevant long posts, and support snake oil treatments and people like Nigam for god knows what reason. Do everyone a favour here, and actually try to post something relevant and meaningful and actually TRY to understand what you read from scientific articles and then maybe you can put that "120 IQ" to some use.

I would have to add though, that THE worst thing he did was not his promotion of scammers like Nigam. THE worst thing JarJarbinx did, was scare away dr Aaron Gardner. Dr Aaron Gardner was like a gift from god to this community, sharing his extremely valuable insights and then JarJarbinx started spamming him with his zillion stupid pages long irrevant questions. I was amazed dr Gardner kept up with it for so long.

[hellouser]

I would have to add though, that THE worst thing he did was not his promotion of scammers like Nigam. THE worst thing JarJarbinx did, was scare away dr Aaron Gardner. Dr Aaron Gardner was like a gift from god to this community, sharing his extremely valuable insights and then JarJarbinx started spamming him with his zillion stupid pages long irrevant questions. I was amazed dr Gardner kept up with it for so long.

[nameless]

I would have to add though, that THE worst thing he did was not his promotion of scammers like Nigam. THE worst thing JarJarbinx did, was scare away dr Aaron Gardner. Dr Aaron Gardner was like a gift from god to this community, sharing his extremely valuable insights and then JarJarbinx started spamming him with his zillion stupid pages long irrevant questions. I was amazed dr Gardner kept up with it for so long.

You don't know why Gardner left. For all we know it was your posts that drove Gardner away. More likely it was no specific person's post that drove Gardner away. And you're baseless accusation that my posts drove him away is just another unfounded claim such as your delusion that needhairasap works for the Pilox outfit.

Why anyone respects your opinion is beyond me. You are more often than not wrong and you say things that are based on nothing.

[nameless]

Update!

cut my hair short straight after the treatment to notice loss closer. Cant say i got any regrowth in the small bald areas around my temples, but also cant really say if i got any further loss. At this point i should atleast see small small hairs at the temples if it works, but again its only been 4 weeks and results should take 4-12 weeks... anyway if you have any further questions just know that i am still following my process with hope that it will atleast stop my loss.

I think that it looks like the Swiss treatment would have been much better. The Swiss treatment seems to involve PURE cultured adipose derived stem cells whereas the treatment you used looks like it involves SVF which is a mixture of things rather than being pure adipose derived stem cells and it may contain too little adipose derived stem cells.

[nameless]

I would have to add though, that THE worst thing he did was not his promotion of scammers like Nigam. THE worst thing JarJarbinx did, was scare away dr Aaron Gardner. Dr Aaron Gardner was like a gift from god to this community, sharing his extremely valuable insights and then JarJarbinx started spamming him with his zillion stupid pages long irrevant questions. I was amazed dr Gardner kept up with it for so long.

After looking things over it has become clear that Gardner actually left because of your posts.

[nameless]

Hellouser where is the proof that Dr. Gardner left because of something I said? Is there one shred of evidence to prove that? I mean evidence other than Arishi's wild baseless accusations. I mean REAL evidence.

[rhysmorgan]

Update!

cut my hair short straight after the treatment to notice loss closer. Cant say i got any regrowth in the small bald areas around my temples, but also cant really say if i got any further loss. At this point i should atleast see small small hairs at the temples if it works, but again its only been 4 weeks and results should take 4-12 weeks... anyway if you have any further questions just know that i am still following my process with hope that it will atleast stop my loss.

Thanks man, 4 weeks is way too early. I'd imagine at 12 you'd start noticing if it's working or not.