adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[zeos]

@Alias123

you also mentioned switzerland/Greece,i will be in athens in september/october and would like to gather some information about this therapy
could you give me an address??

thanks!!!!!!

[Maxis]

they promise hairloss stop and regrowth, for 8000? is there a money back guarantee? is there a follow up to compare results with high res images or trichoscans?

Sounds like some expensive snake oil

[rhysmorgan]

The cost is insane for what must honestly take a few hours labour.

I hope the results match the price. Good luck!! Keep us updated.

[Arashi]

Sounds like some expensive snake oil

Agreed. Haven't done any research into all this, skimmed through this topic but I'd be VERY VERY skeptical, at first sight all this looks like another snake oil to me, but can't say just yet. Did anyone do any research ? Into the authors of the study etc ?

[hellouser]

they promise hairloss stop and regrowth, for 8000? is there a money back guarantee? is there a follow up to compare results with high res images or trichoscans?

If Alias123's before/after photos wont please the masses, we could fund someone through another effort like with Desmond and send them off to the clinic and have all the resources for them to show us proper documentation.

[Thinning@30]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

[hellouser]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

You've got too much faith in humanity. But I agree with you.

[nameless]

Considering that this is an unproven treatment, it should be offered for free as part of a test, or at least at cost to people willing to offer themselves as guinea pigs.

If they aren't going to make money then they wouldn't offer the treatment at all. Would you like that better?

Also, I question whether or not the treatment will work at all. I think that the extract from fat cells (AAPE/HARG) is more likely to work than the actual fat cells. Plus even if the fat cells will work it might be very specific fat cells that are required. There are different fat cells.

[rhysmorgan]

I could do it, I live in Germany on and off so could go by train to Austria. Although I have been posting on the forum long, so maybe that would put people off.

[Thinning@30]

If they aren't going to make money then they wouldn't offer the treatment at all. Would you like that better?

<sigh> that is precisely the point. It is highly unethical to sell unproven treatments. If these doctors want to test new things they can offer them to patients for free or at cost with full disclosures. I am so sick of hearing about all this Whitfield and Nigam-type nonsense.

[hgs1989]

keep in mind guys that the treament Alias123 did is different than that whixh started this thread. the thread is about injection of growth factors released by culturing fat stem cells while alias123 had injections of fat stem cells.

[Sogeking]

To be fair the guys in Austria(where Alias went) specifically say on their webpage that their treatment won't get you all of your hair back and that there might be some regrowth.

[nameless]

<sigh> that is precisely the point. It is highly unethical to sell unproven treatments. If these doctors want to test new things they can offer them to patients for free or at cost with full disclosures. I am so sick of hearing about all this Whitfield and Nigam-type nonsense.

(sigh) you didn't answer my question. My question was would you prefer to not be offered the treatment at all?

[nameless]

keep in mind guys that the treament Alias123 did is different than that whixh started this thread. the thread is about injection of growth factors released by culturing fat stem cells while alias123 had injections of fat stem cells.

I've been saying this too. And even though the effective growth factors came from fat cells that does not mean that injecting fat cells will produce the same result. First of all, there are different fat cells and we don't know if the fat cell injection treatment involves the correct fat cells. Some fat cells produce 100 times the amount of these growth factors as other fat cells produce. So right off the bat there is the issue of using the correct fat cells among different fat cells.

Then there's the issue that the fat cells are a different size, different shape, and different degree of hardness/rigidity from the fat-cell derived growth factors. If you inject the correctfat cells they still might not get to the right locations due to their different size, different shape, and different degree of hardness/rigidity than the growth factors solution. The growth factor solution could probably squeeze into every tiny nook and cranny in the follicles so that means that they could probably get into the correct places, but the fat cells may not be able to do that.

[hellouser]

To be fair the guys in Austria(where Alias went) specifically say on their webpage that their treatment won't get you all of your hair back and that there might be some regrowth.

Yeah at least they're not making wild promises like Nigam did.