adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[Alias123]

I just sent the wrong link, as you can see on earlier posts and how the procedure was done ( and my email conversation with the clinic in was clearly adipose steam cells , but again no effect this far but I'm
Still hoping for the best

[nameless]

http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-...n-hair-tissue/

read that part, that is the treatment i did, not growth factors

Well a few posts above you said that this is the treatment you've done:

http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments/face-skin-hair/growth-factors/

This is not adipose derived stem cells. This is growth factors. It's got me confused about which treatment you've gotten.

I think that you should have the adipose derived stem cells treatment. And yes, it may take more than one adipose derived stem cell treatment. It may take multiple treatments.

[moleular]

Nameless, I don't know how it's done on here in terms of private messaging, but can you get in contact with me please.
There's no point the two of us trying to source a lab separately we should work together on this. As I said, I have a lab lined up and plenty of communication back and forth with the MD to prove it.
Send me your email or I'll post mine on here.

[Alias123]

http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-therapy-skin-hair-tissue/

read that part, that is the treatment i did, not growth factors

[nameless]

Alias I thought you were going to get this treatment:

http://stemcelltherapy.cc/stem-cell-therapy-skin-hair-tissue/

But it looks like you got this other treatment instead:

http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments/face-skin-hair/growth-factors/

In your past posts you talk about both of the above treatments. They are different treatments. One treatment uses adipose derived stem cells and the other treatment uses growth factors. Since you have talked about both of these two treatments I don't know which treatment you got. Did you get the adipose derived stem cell treatment or did you get the growth factor treatment?

[nameless]

sounds like PRP

whats the difference between this and the stuff they were offering in south america?

This is confusing.

First Alias said he was getting adipose derived stem cells injected but now he's saying that he's getting some kind of growth factors injected.

This change reduces my confidence in the treatment because it looks like they told him he was going to receive adipose derived stem cells but now he's getting some kind of growth factor treatment instead.

It looks like the treatment he got is similar to PRP so nothing to get excited about.

[NeedHairASAP]

sounds like PRP

whats the difference between this and the stuff they were offering in south america?

[nameless]

Soon booking my second treatment with ddr heinrich at the vienna clinic, havent seen any results yet though its only been 1 month and results on website says New hair growth occurs ca. 8 to 12 weeks after the first treatment at the earliest. The treatment is not suitable for complete baldness. what do you say about this? should i invest in a second treatment?
http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments...rowth-factors/

I thought you were getting adipose derived stem cell injections. The link you provided is not to adipose derived stem cells. It's to some kind of growth factors.

[Alias123]

Soon booking my second treatment with ddr heinrich at the vienna clinic, havent seen any results yet though its only been 1 month and results on website says New hair growth occurs ca. 8 to 12 weeks after the first treatment at the earliest. The treatment is not suitable for complete baldness. what do you say about this? should i invest in a second treatment?

http://ddrheinrich.com/en/treatments/face-skin-hair/growth-factors/

[nameless]

I would say to everyone what is the harm of investing a little money to try to get this going?

Let me tell everyone that I am in communication with the adipose stem cell clinic and I've raised the issue of them giving a discount if a group of us will undergo the treatment. Give me some time to work on this and while we are waiting for some answers what is the harm of investing a little money into moleular's plan as long as his plan is set-up in a totally legitimate manner, there's no chance of being ripped off, and if for any reason the project does not take place then the people who donated money would get their money back?

Look, if adipose derived stem cells work then we can do that instead, but there's not much risk if we invest a little bit of money to get a second potential treatment, AAPE, also moving forward. We are lucky that the lab and clinic he's talking to only needs $50,000 because that means we need 500 people who will donate $100 each or 1,000 people who will donate $50 each. I will donate $100 if the funding is set-up in an iron-clad fundraising system that does not allow any chance for cheating. Let me put it to you like this - I do think that injecting adipose derived stem cells themselves will help us but I also think that injecting AAPE could improve on the results or even work in some cases where the adipose stem cells themselves produced little or no improvement. My reason for this is that by injecting the cells themselves the cells would secrete these important growth factors in and around the follicles in somewhat limited quantities, but with the AAPE we could bomb the follicles with the growth factors and proteins. I just think that now that we know that there are a few clinics out there marketing adipose derived stem cells for hair loss it still could be helpful to also bring AAPE into the marketplace.

$50 to $100 is not a lot of money if we can be sure that the effort is totally legitimate and if we will definitely be refunded if for any reason the lab and clinic do not do the work and the testing. I would want total transparency and total certainty that work is done or we get our money back.

And as I have already said, please please let me do the talking to the adipose stem cell clinics because I'm trying to get us a discount for group rates. If the clinic finds out that many of us are already are highly interested then they might refuse to give a discount because they will figure that we will be their customers whether they give a discount or not. I want them to give a discount for a group and to accomplish this it would be best if they realized we are trying to form a group rather than have them believe that a number of us are ready to be customers as individuals. Please give me a chance to get us a discount. Why pay full price if you don't have to?

[nameless]

Moleular, if the fundraising is set-up in such a way that people who donate would get their money back if the required amount was not received or if anything did not work out, and if it was set-up correctly with no chance of any misappropriation of funds, then I will commit $100.

You would have to use a legitimate crowd-funding site with all the legalities and with complete financial protection for the people who donate. If you can accomplish this I would donate $100 because it's a small amount of money to put up for a possible chance to get my hair back.

[zeos]

it seems this treatment is widespread in many different european countries
but I'm a little bit confused watching this video(check minute 1:21)

http://dermagenica.co.uk/dermaheal-hl/

what does it mean?
does this treatment also play with your hormones like finasteride?

also here:http://www.freedomhealthskin.co.uk/s...loss-dermaheal
''The process works by :

Nanopeptides inactivate +5 alpha reductases which inhibits the conversion of testosterone to DHT and delays the process from Anagen to Categen - Anti Hair Loss.

The other peptides within the solution CG-Bfgf, CG-VEGF, CG-TGF-a, CG-KGF, CG-HGF are used to promote the process from Telogen to Anagen thus forming new hair. ''

well that sucks

[hgs1989]

You say that we know it works, but again what is it's effectiveness? I've seen one article and it only provided a few very low quality pictures showing some possible growth and the results were given via a subjective opinion by the patients using the VAS.

If there are anymore articles which show how effective AAPE is , I would be interested in reading it, because to me the biggest issue is not just if AAPE works or not, but how effective it is, and if it is worth it.

I think you are directing this to me, am I right? any how AAPE in the form of the product I posted about might be a scam. I don't know. I am only praising using Growth factors whether it comes from E.coli and /or culturing human cells. lots of studies showed that in mice in cultured human DP cells. histogen showed that they work. and if AAPE or dermaheal products are legit and well studied to optimize the concentration and dosing then we have a product that works. scientists should stop worrying and use GF and stem cells in humans not only for hair but for other stuff too. the faster the better. this technology needs to be moved from the lab to become commercially available as fast as possible. search the web yourself put the list of GFs (one by one) and hair growth see for yourself. dht is a mere signaling hormone that makes the follicle on the scalp release TGF beta and dkk1 and die while dht makes our beard follicles release IGF-1, HGF, KGF to grow. other proteins might be involved.we simply know what the mechanism of balding is on a molecular level. we just don't know why this happens in response to DHT. what is the difference between balding and non balding areas, Cotseralis proposed PGD2 but this is yet to be determined.
take a look at WCHR 2013 abstracts many of them are about using GFs for MPB.

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v133/n5/full/jid2013110a.html

[zeos]

any form of mesotherapy needs FDA approval. no doctor will inject it. I actually don't have high hopes for it. I don't question the legitimacy of the product ingredients is but the concentration might be low.

maybe you should contact or call dermaheal,i'm sure they will give you addresses with professionals in the United States where you can inject this stuff
if there is no FDA approval how can they advertise it then?
http://www.aveyou.com/dermahealstemc...olution-1.aspx (directions for use)

it seems this treatment is widespread in many different european countries
but I'm a little bit confused watching this video(check minute 1:21)

http://dermagenica.co.uk/dermaheal-hl/

what does it mean?
does this treatment also play with your hormones like finasteride?

[Haircure]

You say that we know it works, but again what is it's effectiveness? I've seen one article and it only provided a few very low quality pictures showing some possible growth and the results were given via a subjective opinion by the patients using the VAS.

If there are anymore articles which show how effective AAPE is , I would be interested in reading it, because to me the biggest issue is not just if AAPE works or not, but how effective it is, and if it is worth it.