adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[hellouser]

Although this of course totally unimportant cause every doctor has some bad results (right Jarjar ?), just wanted to share these reports on Dr Heinrich:

http://www.realself.com/forum/dr-karl-heinrich-in-vienna-for-stem-cell-breast-augmentation

http://forum.plasticsurgery.com/DDr-...nce-m1840.aspx

This comment is pretty scary:

i had my operation with him and i am very unhappy now.he ruined my body.

[Arashi]

Although this of course totally unimportant cause every doctor has some bad results (right Jarjar ?), just wanted to share these reports on Dr Heinrich:

http://www.realself.com/forum/dr-karl-heinrich-in-vienna-for-stem-cell-breast-augmentation

http://forum.plasticsurgery.com/DDr-Heinrich-experience-m1840.aspx

[nameless]

Just to Make things clear with laws etc, the Swiss clinic you are all talking about is located in Greece, not Switzerland

Thanks.

Why do they call it the Swiss clinic if it's located in Greece?

[Alias123]

Just to Make things clear with laws etc, the Swiss clinic you are all talking about is located in Greece, not Switzerland

[nameless]

As I indicated I would ask the Vienna and Swiss clinic if they would consider a group discount and here is what they replied:

Regarding special group discounts, for sure we would be happy to accomodate based on our calendar and we are open to discuss with you all details.

Thank you and looking forward to your feedback.

Best regards,

[nameless]

if the treatment is offered by the same clinic (dr. heinrich), what's the reason that the treatment is different in vienna and switzerland? does that make sense? maybe the advanced treatment isn't allowed in vienna because of different laws. but if that's the case that would already indicate that the treatment in vienna isn't worth it, so why offer it anyway?

Of course the reason is because of different laws in Switzerland compared to Austria.

And some people may get some benefit from adipose derived stem cell injection without culture so they make that available in Vienna where it's not lawful to culture the cells, but other people may not benefit without culturing the cells so they make that available in Switzerland where it's lawful.

You're question should not even have been asked because the answers to your questions are obvious.

Now that I've given you the obvious answers to your question how about helping us figure out if culturing adipose derived stem cells weakens them or not. That is the BIG and IMPORTANT question because if culturing the cells does weaken them then it may be better to get fresh ADSCs injected without culturing them but if it does not weaken them, or only weakens them a little, or only weakens them after a larger number of passages that we would not need, then it would probably be best to the ADSCs cultured so that means the Swiss treatment would be better. We need answers to these questions.

[zeos]

don't know about the treatment but i don't think it's the same clinic

http://www.arsmedical.info/stem-cells/autologous-transplantation-of-adult-stem-cells.html

http://www.arsmedical.info/contact.html

[joachim]

if the treatment is offered by the same clinic (dr. heinrich), what's the reason that the treatment is different in vienna and switzerland? does that make sense? maybe the advanced treatment isn't allowed in vienna because of different laws. but if that's the case that would already indicate that the treatment in vienna isn't worth it, so why offer it anyway?

[nameless]

Do you have a link to their website? the Swiss clinic?

I don't have an email address for their Swiss clinic specifically but you can contact the company through their site and ask for a response. Here is their site:

http://ddrheinrich.com/

Once they respond you can talk with them about both their Vienna treatment and their Swiss treatment. For the Vienna treatment they inject adipose derived stem cells but they do not culture the adipose derived stem cells so I figure you would get less cells injected. For the Swiss treatment they do culture the cells so I figure you would get more cells if you opted for the Swiss treatment. A lot more I figure.

Hellouser I spoke with a Caribbean heart clinic that uses ADSCs. They harvest and inject ADSCs into patient's hearts but they don't culture the cells. I told them I have heart disease to get them talking to me. They told me that culturing the ADSCs causes the cells to lose potency. They wanted my business and they don't culture the cells so maybe they were just telling me that to keep me from doing business with their competition instead. Do you know if culturing adipose derived stem cells causes the cells to lose potency compared to fresh cells that are not cultured?

[hellouser]

Alias and Moleular since you two got the Vienna treatment that means you two got the adipose derived stem cell treatment that does NOT involve culturing the adipose derived stem cells according to Alias. The Vienna treatment uses adipose derived stem cells but the cells are not cultured so of course that means that with the Vienna treatment less cells are injected.

The adipose derived stem cells that involves culturing the cells is the treatment in Switzerland according to Alias. If you had gotten the Swiss treatment that involves culturing the cells more adipose derived stem cells would have been implanted into your skin. A lot more.

I would have gotten the Swiss treatment because I would have wanted more cells implanted.

Do you have a link to their website? the Swiss clinic?

[nameless]

Alias and Moleular since you two got the Vienna treatment that means you two got the adipose derived stem cell treatment that does NOT involve culturing the adipose derived stem cells according to Alias. The Vienna treatment uses adipose derived stem cells but the cells are not cultured so of course that means that with the Vienna treatment less cells are injected.

The adipose derived stem cells that involves culturing the cells is the treatment in Switzerland according to Alias. If you had gotten the Swiss treatment that involves culturing the cells more adipose derived stem cells would have been implanted into your skin. A lot more.

I would have gotten the Swiss treatment because I would have wanted more cells implanted.

[bananana]

I just sent the wrong link, as you can see on earlier posts and how the procedure was done ( and my email conversation with the clinic in was clearly adipose steam cells , but again no effect this far but I'm
Still hoping for the best

Ok, let us know how it goes and when (hopefully) will results show.
Also pics would be appreciated.

[Alias123]

moleular haha that was me! are you going back for a second treatment?

[Arashi]

I can say that it hasn't done a huge amount, but this is something which you have to do a couple of times at least to see some real difference.

That's what every scammer always will tell you: you just need to buy more ! Not saying all this is a scam, who knows, just saying that as with any unproven therapy, proceed with cauction. Good luck !

[moleular]

nameless, I have received the adipose stem cells at ddr heinrich's centre too. In fact it was probably around the same time as Alias123. I did bump into a young chap when I went there. Maybe that was you alias who i commented to in the waiting room about how hot it was?
Anyway, I can say that it does have some effect. I actually asked for two adipose samples to be taken, as that would yield 100cc of fat from which to harvest stem cells. I asked for this because I wanted to ensure effectiveness, and it seems that other references in research etc. took 100cc, rather than 50cc which is the standard procedure from ddr heinrich.
I can say that it hasn't done a huge amount, but this is something which you have to do a couple of times at least to see some real difference.

Thank you also for the support with the adipose derived stem cell extract funding. I think I'll refer to it as ADSCe from this point forward so that it is clear.
I think a top level post within future treatments would be a good idea, so I'll write up a long post and get it on there to really muster some interest.
Hopefully others will get behind it and post to similar forums they are part of.
Whether I can get it onto a proper crowd-funding platform remains to be seen, as they probably have some rules about funding of medical projects, but I can find out.

With any luck this can drive forward some research (and a solution), and hopefully everyone on here can feel they are actually part of a solution, rather than feeling frustrated (as I know I have) at how it feels so completely out of ones control.