adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[Arashi]

I'm sorry for not memorizing absolutely everything I read.

Please note, I was not 'heavily' involved in that thread. You were. And both you and Arashi's immature bickering was the real reason Gardner bounced.

There wasn't much bickering going on in that thread I avoided that. I just gave a very polite warning to jarjar that if he'd keep spamming the doctor, he would most probably leave.

[hellouser]

We don't need to ask Jahoda anything. In the Dr. Gardner thread, the thread that Arishi scared Dr. Gardner out of, Dr. Gardner stated that Jahoda will be using fat cells so they can get the growth factor signals into follicles. We have already been given Dr. Jahoda's opinion on the matter. And you were heavily involved in that thread so you should already know Jahoda's opinion on this issue. You need to learn to transpose information from one thread to another.

In fact, Dr. Jahoda thinks that fat cells, and they're growth factor signals, are key factors for hair growth.

I'm sorry for not memorizing absolutely everything I read.

Please note, I was not 'heavily' involved in that thread. You were. And both you and Arashi's immature bickering was the real reason Gardner bounced.

[nameless]

Wouldn't it be better to get confirmation about this from Dr. Jahoda / Dr. Lauster or one of their team members rather than putting trust into the marketing campaign and PR talk from the clinic websites? I take their claims with a grain of salt but would MUCH rather take the word from an actual known and credible scientist.

Also, you guys should look into some patents on the use of adipose derived stem cells:

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_...fe=off&tbm=pts

We don't need to ask Jahoda anything. In the Dr. Gardner thread, the thread that Arishi scared Dr. Gardner out of, Dr. Gardner stated that Jahoda will be using fat cells so they can get the growth factor signals into follicles. We have already been given Dr. Jahoda's opinion on the matter. And you were heavily involved in that thread so you should already know Jahoda's opinion on this issue. You need to learn to transpose information from one thread to another.

In fact, Dr. Jahoda thinks that fat cells, and they're growth factor signals, are key factors for hair growth.

[hellouser]

Wouldn't it be better to get confirmation about this from Dr. Jahoda / Dr. Lauster or one of their team members rather than putting trust into the marketing campaign and PR talk from the clinic websites? I take their claims with a grain of salt but would MUCH rather take the word from an actual known and credible scientist.

Also, you guys should look into some patents on the use of adipose derived stem cells:

https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_rd=ssl#q=adipose+derived+stem+cells+hair&safe=off&tbm=pts

[hgs1989]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17
''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

the evidence on the use ADSC and their secreted proteins is keep piling up. more and more scientist should look into their potential as hair loss treatments.

[nameless]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17
''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

This company is involved in research to find treatment candidates for official clinical studies. This company does not offer ADSCs or ADSC extract for commercial use at the present time. This is a development company. It has no use for us unless you are willing to wait maybe 10 years. This thread is more about ADSC treatments or ADSC extract treatments that are presently available.

[nameless]

Although this of course totally unimportant cause every doctor has some bad results (right Jarjar ?), just wanted to share these reports on Dr Heinrich:

http://www.realself.com/forum/dr-karl-heinrich-in-vienna-for-stem-cell-breast-augmentation

http://forum.plasticsurgery.com/DDr-...nce-m1840.aspx

Two of our own posters, Alias and Moleular, have gone to Heinrich for injections and neither of them are saying that they have been disfigured.

I'm not saying that Heinrich didn't disfigure the patient you post about but I can say that here we have two patients who are not reporting disfigurement.

[zeos]

http://theracell.eu/?page_id=17

''Theracell constantly exploits opportunities in regenerative biotechnology, using autologous adult stem cells and other cellular products. In order to develop and exploit the benefits of this exciting field, we work closely with doctors and we constantly try to establish collaborations with major medical institutions in Greece and other countries. We have unparalleled experience in the isolation, processing and application of Adipose Derived Stem Cells (ADSC’s), as well as somatic cells such as chondrocytes, fibroblasts and hair follicle cells. We have also developed several products based on the use of autologous growth factors that can be used in reconstructive medicine and tissue repair. The company constantly develops new products and services in Aesthetic Medicine, Orthopedics, Arthroplastic Surgery, Sports Medicine, Dentistry, Ulcer treatment and Ophthalmology.''

[Arashi]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

LOL, thanks but I'm not saying this is a 'fake doctor', but merely that I'd be careful. In general stay away from clinics that are pure money making factories and go for the doctors who do their job with a passion and who really care about their patients. But of course when it comes to adipose derived stem cells, there isn't much choice at the moment ...

[nameless]

Im going to wait 2-3 more weeks until i decide if I take another treatment at DDR Heinrich, I might take my second treatment in the swiss( they have their main clinic in Switzerland but the one where the AAPE is fixed is outside Athens) I think the Heinrich clinic was fresh, top location in Vienna so I'm not too worry about HIM being a scam, but of course the treatment itself can lack efficiency) but the group discount rate for the one in Greece sounds amazing, it's still 3000 more than the Vienna clinic... But if they can push it down that would be great!

Are you sure they also do AAPE treatments?

If they do AAPE treatments how much do the AAPE treatments cost?

Please post a link to them doing AAPE treatments.

[nameless]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

I would not count on Arishi's judgement although I would consider his hard evidence and then make my own decision.

[Kudu]

If I had to choose one member to decide whether a treatment was a scam or not, it would have to be Arashi. The guy can spot a fake doctor from 30 miles away lol.

[Arashi]

Im going to wait 2-3 more weeks until i decide if I take another treatment at DDR Heinrich, I might take my second treatment in the swiss( they have their main clinic in Switzerland but the one where the AAPE is fixed is outside Athens) I think the Heinrich clinic was fresh, top location in Vienna so I'm not too worry about HIM being a scam, but of course the treatment itself can lack efficiency) but the group discount rate for the one in Greece sounds amazing, it's still 3000 more than the Vienna clinic... But if they can push it down that would be great!

Well the guy sells both proven scam products and unproven/highly controversial therapies like this one and PRP. That's a sign he cares more about money than results. That being said, there's of course a small chance you might gain some hair, who knows ... But just be careful, even 'simple' surgeries like removing the fat can result in disfigured bodies like this: http://www.bhaesthetics.com/uploads/...0f6fff0cf8.jpg

[Alias123]

Im going to wait 2-3 more weeks until i decide if I take another treatment at DDR Heinrich, I might take my second treatment in the swiss( they have their main clinic in Switzerland but the one where the AAPE is fixed is outside Athens) I think the Heinrich clinic was fresh, top location in Vienna so I'm not too worry about HIM being a scam, but of course the treatment itself can lack efficiency) but the group discount rate for the one in Greece sounds amazing, it's still 3000 more than the Vienna clinic... But if they can push it down that would be great!

[Arashi]

Also alarmbells should go off here:

* No photo's on his website for hair results
* He sells extremely expensive liquids on his website, without specifying what's exactly in them, let alone with result studies
* He has studied "Traditional Chinese Medicine" and sells products based on that. I hope I don't have to explain how TCM is a proven scam.

How much does he charge for his hair stem cell therapy ? I'd say, keep in mind that taking away fat can possibly defigure your body (just think of a bad lipo), that the chance is high you won't see any results at all and that this most probably is going to cost you tons of money ... All for that small tiny chance that this actually is going to improve your hair situation ... I'd say, go with a FUE first and only if you're out of options due to depleted donor, consider something like this ...

This guy seems to care more about getting your money than about getting results ..