adipose-derived stem cell protein extract

[nameless]

Hi again everyone,

Firstly, please can we stop the in-fighting, it's really counter-productive and I would like to get this organised sooner rather than later, as I have a small window in which to gauge interest and get back to the MD of the lab which I have sourced.
This isn't just a post on a whim, I am serious about this. I have set up the various contacts and as of october I potentially have much more time on my hands to make sure this goes ahead.

Needhairasap - I take your advice and I would like to make it clear that this is a donations based community effort, and I am in no way advertising or selling equity in a specific venture.

Nameless - I agree that this would take a few injections. This is noted in Fukuoka's research aswell. If the funding stretches to it, It might be a good idea to get twice the amount of lipo-aspirate taken at the time of the procedure; one portion used for direct injection and the other sent to the labs to be cultured. I think it would work best as a complimentary procedure.

Now, as for the next step, I need to register the interest of people in a central location and ascertain how much people are willing to contribute. This won't be to take any money initially, just simply to get the numbers and get people onto a mailing list. I will probably use an established donations service when it comes to it.
I work in the IT industry so I can get a basic form built on a site, but there may be free things out there for doing the same - suggestions welcome.

moleular, it's great that you've found a lab and clinic because that is what we need in order to start dispensing AAPE but I don't understand why there has to be a study. It seems to me that requiring a study presents a challenge because it means we have to raise $50,000. If the lab/clinic would instead just start dispensing the treatment we wouldn't have to come up with anything to get treatments started. Why is the 4-man study necessary in order to get started?

[hellouser]

http://www.balancehairrestoration.co...stem-cells.pdf

check it out really amazing results are show. it also mention the procedure can be done with current technology. several sessions are required. trichoscan showed 83% increase in hairs (see figure.7 before treatment 29 hairs in the area and after 53. (53-29)/29 = 83%). full head pictures are also available.figure.3 shows a male without fin and figure 4 shows another on fin, but I doubt that fin would make that difference in 6 months. sad it is not approved by the FDA. but why ? it is similar to ACell + prp. it is like histogen on steroids. any how check it out. there are clinics doing research on other treatment adipose-derived stem cell without the protein extract thing. http://www.stemcellrevolution.com/cu...r-restoration/

What's the cost for the procedure?

[35YrsAfter]

http://www.balancehairrestoration.co...stem-cells.pdf

check it out really amazing results are show. it also mention the procedure can be done with current technology. several sessions are required. trichoscan showed 83% increase in hairs (see figure.7 before treatment 29 hairs in the area and after 53. (53-29)/29 = 83%). full head pictures are also available.figure.3 shows a male without fin and figure 4 shows another on fin, but I doubt that fin would make that difference in 6 months. sad it is not approved by the FDA. but why ? it is similar to ACell + prp. it is like histogen on steroids. any how check it out. there are clinics doing research on other treatment adipose-derived stem cell without the protein extract thing. http://www.stemcellrevolution.com/cu...r-restoration/

Looks promising. It's good to see real photos taken from the same spot. Therapy with growth factors makes complete sense when you think about it. In my early teens, before I grew a beard, a thick fatty layer (adipose) developed on my chin. As my hair loss developed, the miniaturized areas of scalp lost a great deal of the fatty layer I had as a kid. You can tell just by pressing down on your own scalp and comparing the feel of the balding areas with the more permanent areas. One method of treatment is to reintroduce the adipose-derived growth factors. Another approach would be one of halting the process that causes a diminished fatty layer in the first place. I have noticed, working here at Dr. Cole's office and meeting every patient that comes through the door for years, that the hard core Propecia and Avodart users have a better fatty layer under their areas of scalp that would otherwise be balding. A treatment needs to be developed that doesn't require constant injections into the scalp or hormone altering drugs. Related to injection therapy, repeated injury to tissue over the years can lead to skin cancer.

Ultimately gene therapy would be ideal:
Every year, millions are born with debilitating genetic disorders, a result of inheriting just one faulty gene from their parents. Scientists are developing ways of editing genetic errors and reversing the course of many hard-to-treat diseases. These type of gene therapies exploit the abilities of viruses – biological machines that excel in penetrating cells and importing genes. By removing their ability to reproduce, and loading them with the genes of our choice, we can transform viruses from causes of disease into agents of cure.

Successes include:
Thirteen children with SCID, an immune disorder that leaves people fatally vulnerable to infections, now have working immune systems. Several British patients with haemophilia, which prevents their blood from clotting properly, can now produce a clotting protein known as factor IX, which they once had to inject. A British man and three Americans with inherited forms of progressive blindness can see again.

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[Arashi]

I'm done talking to you too Arishi. All you wanna do is whine, bicker, and make baseless allegations.

The information in this thread is probably the best chance we have to get a treatment early. Between adipose cells, AAPE, and possibly even SVF, there may actually already be a cure available on the planet, or could be aailable available VERY soon. But all you want to do is bicker, argue, and wreck the thread. You need to grow up. I'm going to stop talking to you. You can make all of the baseless accusations you want but I'm not going to respond. And I'm not going to explain to you why needhairasap is not guilty of working with Pilox because the point is that you pulled that allegation out of thin air. You made it up. That allegation is just more of your sh!t talk. Goodbye.

LOL, so you make all kinds of allegations, you don't want to explain why nor do you want to back them up with any evidence and then you accuse ME of making baseless accusations ? You're kidding, right ?

[Alias123]

Nice initiativ Moleur, some questions:
1. what would be the major difference between the one you propose of setting up and the ones existing in vienna and switzerland?
2. if you manage to get the funds ( i could contribute if the right legal documents/ contracts are made) what would be the charge for each proceedure?
3. since i already did one treatment, and by the time you have it all set up (if you do) how would the treatment affect me differently? (kind of goes togheter with question 1)

[moleular]

Hi again everyone,

Firstly, please can we stop the in-fighting, it's really counter-productive and I would like to get this organised sooner rather than later, as I have a small window in which to gauge interest and get back to the MD of the lab which I have sourced.
This isn't just a post on a whim, I am serious about this. I have set up the various contacts and as of october I potentially have much more time on my hands to make sure this goes ahead.

Needhairasap - I take your advice and I would like to make it clear that this is a donations based community effort, and I am in no way advertising or selling equity in a specific venture.

Nameless - I agree that this would take a few injections. This is noted in Fukuoka's research aswell. If the funding stretches to it, It might be a good idea to get twice the amount of lipo-aspirate taken at the time of the procedure; one portion used for direct injection and the other sent to the labs to be cultured. I think it would work best as a complimentary procedure.

Now, as for the next step, I need to register the interest of people in a central location and ascertain how much people are willing to contribute. This won't be to take any money initially, just simply to get the numbers and get people onto a mailing list. I will probably use an established donations service when it comes to it.
I work in the IT industry so I can get a basic form built on a site, but there may be free things out there for doing the same - suggestions welcome.

[nameless]

Were did you do that ? You showed me nothing like that. You know as well as anyone here that you're lying.


Dr Aaron Gardner came her for one reason and that was that he enjoyed it. Then you started bombarding him with pages full of silly questions and even worse, you started to tell him how to do his work !! I warned you he'd stop coming here (like any normal person would) but you just kept doing it and even stepped on it, posting like 3-4 questions in a row. And all of them were crazy LONG chunks of text, silly, stupid, non-relevant and/or either asked before. You really think anyone enjoys that ?


If that's not true, then why does he post the wrong pictures ? He has the latest ones, yet he shows us older pictures with big hair length difference. What other explanation could there possibly be ? This guy has been pumping this product since day one, he's manipulating with pictures and lying. That's something I've only seen Ironman doing, but he's like an extreme fanboy. Needhairasap doest strike me like such extreme fanboy, so what other explanation could there possibly be that he's somehow commercially involved with Pilox ?

I'm done talking to you too Arishi. All you wanna do is whine, bicker, and make baseless allegations.

The information in this thread is probably the best chance we have to get a treatment early. Between adipose cells, AAPE, and possibly even SVF, there may actually already be a cure available on the planet, or could be aailable available VERY soon. But all you want to do is bicker, argue, and wreck the thread. You need to grow up. I'm going to stop talking to you. You can make all of the baseless accusations you want but I'm not going to respond. And I'm not going to explain to you why needhairasap is not guilty of working with Pilox because the point is that you pulled that allegation out of thin air. You made it up. That allegation is just more of your sh!t talk. Goodbye.

[Arashi]

I already showed you where you foolishly stated that researchers solved the trichogenicity problem. After I posted a copy of what you said you then went on and denied it anyway.

Were did you do that ? You showed me nothing like that. You know as well as anyone here that you're lying.

That aside, you still have not posted one shred of evidence that Dr. Gardner left because of me. You have made the baseless claim to that effect but you have not proved it.

Dr Aaron Gardner came her for one reason and that was that he enjoyed it. Then you started bombarding him with pages full of silly questions and even worse, you started to tell him how to do his work !! I warned you he'd stop coming here (like any normal person would) but you just kept doing it and even stepped on it, posting like 3-4 questions in a row. And all of them were crazy LONG chunks of text, silly, stupid, non-relevant and/or either asked before. You really think anyone would enjoy answering that ?

t's like your silly baseless allegation that needhairasap is in cahoots with the Pilox promoters

If that's not true, then why does he post the wrong pictures ? He has the latest ones, yet he shows us older pictures with big hair length difference. What other explanation could there possibly be ? I asked you that before, you didnt answer. This guy has been pumping this product since day one, he's manipulating with pictures and lying. That's something I've only seen Ironman doing, but he's like an extreme fanboy. Needhairasap doesnt strike me like such extreme fanboy, so what other explanation could there possibly be that he's somehow commercially involved with Pilox ?

[nameless]

I'm listening. Would like to hear from Desmond on this.

I would also like to know what Desmond thinks about this. It would be good if Desmond would consider getting involved in the project. The project could lead to AAPE being made available at some clinics without Dr. Nigam being involved.

[nameless]

Is there anyway to get rid of this guy from the forum? I mean it's just getting real sad now, the guy obviously is externalizing his own problem to others and may very well ruin the opportunity of another guest like Dr. Gardner with his useless irrelevantly long posts. I mean this guy got kicked from so many forums already it's a wonder he's still in this one.

I have thought about it and I've decided that it's pretty clear you and Arishi are the ones who scared Dr. Gardner off actually.

And I'm not kicked from any forums and your allegation to the contrary is yet another mistake by you.

Why don't you just stop talking to me? You whine like a girl about me but then you talk to me..
Let me show you how a big boy does it. I'm going to stop talking to you here and now.

[nameless]

Well, what do you expect, you kept stalking the professor with your totally uninteresting, pages long questions. You really expected him to keep answering those ? Most of the times you asked stuff that was asked before or he couldnt possibly know. And then you started telling HIM how to do his work, that was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. A guy who doesnt understand most of the stuff he reads, telling one of the smartest professors in the industry how to do his job ! And you expected him to enjoy all that ? I warned you he'd stop posting if you'd continue but you just kept spamming him with pages long irrelevant questions.


You keep saying that and I keep saying: show me where I said that

I already showed you where you foolishly stated that researchers solved the trichogenicity problem. After I posted a copy of what you said you then went on and denied it anyway. So even if the truth is put right in front of you, you still deny it. No matter how everyone feels about you or I, the fact remains that most everyone here knows you were jawing about how they solved the trichogenicity issue. You even started one of your baseless gripes at me over it. And of course I turned out to be correct.

That aside, you still have not posted one shred of evidence that Dr. Gardner left because of me. You have made the baseless claim to that effect but you have not proved it. That's you Arishi. It's like your silly baseless allegation that needhairasap is in cahoots with the Pilox promoters. You just blab and make baseless allegations is all.

[Haircure]

Well, what do you expect, you kept stalking the professor with your totally uninteresting, pages long questions. You really expected him to keep answering those ? Most of the times you asked stuff that was asked before or he couldnt possibly know. And then you started telling HIM how to do his work, that was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. A guy who doesnt understand most of the stuff he reads, telling one of the smartest professors in the industry how to do his job ! And you expected him to enjoy all that ? I warned you he'd stop posting if you'd continue but you just kept spamming him with pages long irrelevant questions.


You keep saying that and I keep saying: show me where I said that

Is there anyway to get rid of this guy from the forum? I mean it's just getting real sad now, the guy obviously is externalizing his own problem to others and may very well ruin the opportunity of another guest like Dr. Gardner with his useless irrelevantly long posts. I mean this guy got kicked from so many forums already it's a wonder he's still in this one.

[Arashi]

There is not one shred of evidence that anything i said got Dr. Gardner to leave.

Well, what do you expect, you kept stalking the professor with your totally uninteresting, pages long questions. You really expected him to keep answering those ? Most of the times you asked stuff that was asked before or he couldnt possibly know. And then you started telling HIM how to do his work, that was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. A guy who doesnt understand most of the stuff he reads, telling one of the smartest professors in the industry how to do his job ! And you expected him to enjoy all that ? I warned you he'd stop posting if you'd continue but you just kept spamming him with pages long irrelevant questions.

This accusation by Arishi is like so many of Arishi's unfounded statements, such as his statements that the trichogenicity issue was resolved

You keep saying that and I keep saying: show me where I said that

[nameless]

Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.

What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.

Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.

I also suggested here the idea that we organize and form a clinic that would sell us AAPE treatments. You would not believe how much I was bashed here for suggesting this.

That aside, I think that setting up a clinic for these growth factors is a good and a bad idea. Let me explain the good and the bad.

The good: Studies have shown that these growth factors grow hair. The growth factors injected as a liquid would go all throughout the follicles soaking all the key parts of the follicles.

The bad: You would have to do numerous repeat injections because when the cells sent these same growth factors to the follicles they do so continuously so you would have to get the injections frequently in the beginning at least.


If you inject the cells instead then the cells would be continuously sending these same growth factors to the follicles since the cells would stay in the body. So you may need repeat injections with the cells too but you would probably not need as many repeat injections if you used the cells as you would if you use the growth factors from the cells. On the other hand, with the cells there is the issue that if they're injected they may be too large to get into some of the places they need to get to in order to do the job whereas the liquid growth factor solution could splash all throughout the follicles much better.

There are advantages and disadvantages to using the cells or the growth factors from the cells. I need time to think all of this through but I am definitely interested in what you're proposing.

[35YrsAfter]

Nameless, please read carefully what I'm proposing before replying.
There are 2 things to note here;
1. I don't want alternatives, I have spent a lot of time researching this and I'm trying to gauge interest in this particular thing, nothing more, nothing less. I have already organised a lab and sent many emails back and forth coming to an agreement on research funding etc.
2. It NOT legal in Europe (or anywhere else in the world I believe) where you can culture stem cells and then use them in any kind of procedure, without first going through clinical trials.

What I am proposing is using the growth factors secreted by the stem cells, not the stem cells themselves - this is in line with the research which started this topic and the reason I am proposing funding for it, is that it requires no clinical trials. It is within current law.

Can I simply get a show of hands please as to who is interested? Maybe I would be better starting a new topic from the main cutting edge treatments category.

Sounds like an interesting and useful study.

35YrsAfter also posts as CITNews and works at Dr. Cole's office - forhair.com - Cole Hair Transplant, 1045 Powers Place, Alpharetta, Georgia 30009 - Phone 678-566-1011 - email 35YrsAfter at chuck@forhair.com
The contents of my posts are my opinions and not medical advice
Please feel free to call or email me with any questions. Ask for Chuck