Final Days: Chinese Scientists Have Solved the DP Culturing Problem! (2014)

[nameless]

Poor results? Who, THIS Dr. Nigam??




But some also have very good results. For example,




Exhaggerated???




Anyway, you get the point. If you have a brain unlike ahem, jarjarbinx. Imagine that the man who might cure us is posting these sort of pictures.

Great! So you've made the point that when he couldn't cure hair loss because he lacked the information how to cure it he got poor results. OK, I'll buy that, but what if he were to suddenly get the information how to cure hair loss? If that were to happen then your dimwitted point is irrelevant because then that's a different situation, as I've said the past 4 or 5 posts. Why that point is not sinking into your head is beyond me.

And by the way since you aren't willing to consider trying to get Nigam to use new info and do the job right does that mean that your recommendation is to wait 6 - 8 years for the treatment to reach the main markets?

I ask the above question because presently there are only 2 choices:

1. Try to work with Nigam.

2. Wait 6 - 8 years.

Clearly you have selected wait 6 - 8 years.

[clarence]

2. Do you really think that Dr. Nigam is the only big name hair doctor who has some cases of poor results?

Poor results? Who, THIS Dr. Nigam??

3. Do you realize that all, 100%, of hair doctors have some cases of poor results?

But some also have very good results. For example,

4. Do you think that Dr. Nigam is the only big name hair doc who has exaggerated his success and capabilities?

5. Do you realize that all, 100%, of big name hair doctors have exaggerated their success and capabilities?

Exhaggerated???




Anyway, you get the point. If you have a brain unlike ahem, jarjarbinx. Imagine that the man who might cure us is posting these sort of pictures.

[nameless]

Yeah, not quite. He's submitted an abstract for a poster presentation. As someone who has done this numerous times, for many different conferences, i can tell you first hand that there is practically no vetting of the material presented other than to check that the subject matter is appropriate for the venue. And even with that they are very lenient. Basically anyone could submit an abstract and they'll accept it.

The hair congress respects Nigam only so long as his membership dues are paid and he's paid for his place at the conference. His presence there is no indication of the validity of his "research" and is certainly not an endorsement.

Plus, we may be putting the cart before the horse. Nigam may not even show up for it. This all could be for show. Sort of like the photo bombs he had with Gerd and company.

Alchemist, firstly, they rejected other applicants. Secondly, some of the applicants that they rejected also paid their membership dues but paying their membership dues did not get them the right to present anything. Thirdly, all of the other scientists who will be presenting information also paid for their memberships so maybe you should disregard Jahoda and the rest who will also be there. Lastly, the Hair Congress Society had to conclude that Nigam's information was worth being shared or else they would have rejected it like they did to other dues-paying applicants.

Also, if new information surfaces at this Hair Congress that would be sufficient to cure hair loss via cell therapy what should we do? There are only 2 choices right now:

1. Work with Nigam and get him to follow the script

2. Wait 6 - 8 years and get the treatment from mainstream market.

Which of these 2 choices are you recommending in the event that info surfaces that would enable us to get our hair back via cell therapy? Are you advocating that we wait the 6 - 8 years?

[BDDFreak]

So with this discovery is it safe to say that we will be able to have unlimited donor basically for a hair transplant? Is there anything we can do to help get this approved faster such as getting this info to the media so more researchers are aware the last piece to the puzzle has been discovered?

[nameless]

interesting article

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/he...-study-doubts/

yea it's interesting but it's unrelated to our present discussion.

[nameless]

Yeah I think someone should mail them. He's going to talk about donor doubling, while ALL 4 known cases (including his own test !) FAILED. So what the hell is he going to talk about ? How to NOT do it ?

Arishi, I'm not being sarcastic or trying to give you a hard time but there are some issues I would like to discuss with you.

1. Why don't you email the 2014 Hair Congress since you think it should be done?

2. Do you really think that Dr. Nigam is the only big name hair doctor who has some cases of poor results?

3. Do you realize that all, 100%, of hair doctors have some cases of poor results?

4. Do you think that Dr. Nigam is the only big name hair doc who has exaggerated his success and capabilities?

5. Do you realize that all, 100%, of big name hair doctors have exaggerated their success and capabilities?

6. If you accept that all, 100%, of big name hair doctors had had cases of poor results and done some exaggerating about their success and capabilities do you realize that the 2014 Hair Congress realizes this too? And if they do understand this too then doesn't that mean that they're smart enough to realize that any negative shyte you tell them about Dr. Nigam could also be said about virtually all of the other doctors at their symposium to some degree? And if they realize this do you really think that they will pay any attention to your negative email?

7. What do you think of my point that when Dr. Nigam lacked sufficient information to cure hair loss that put him under pressure to embellish and do questionable things but if he actually really had sufficient information to cure hair loss then he might not need to embellish and do questionable things? Do you think I have a good point here?

8. In other words, is a man more likely to play games if he does not have the real-deal cure than if he actually really has the real-deal cure?

9. My point is doesn't it seem like the man who will play games is the man who does not really have the solution that people want?

10. And by the same token doesn't it seem like once that man (who doesn't have the true solution that people want) actually gets that true solution that people want then maybe he might stop the game-playing because once he has the true solution he no longer needs to play games? Does this seem logical or not?

11. Let's put it like this: Is any human being more likely to do something wrong if he has to than if he doesn't have to?

12. If you agree that a man is less likely to do something wrong if he doesn't have to then doesn't that mean that Nigam might follow the appropriate script if information were to surface that would permit him to offer a true cure?

13. I believe that as it stands right now if info that could cure hair loss were to surface we would have 2 options:

a) talk to Nigam and get him straight so that he can deliver that cure quickly.

b) accept that we will have to wait 6 - 8 years to get the treatment from the mainstream market.


Do you see any other options available to us at the present time? I don't.

14. I agree that other options might open up to us later but right now these 2 options I have listed are the only 2 options I see. If you see any other options right now what are those other options?

15. If you don't see other options open to us right now but do think that other options could open up to us later, what would those options be?

[The Alchemist]

Also keep in mind that Dr. Nigam's experiment has been accepted by a major mainstream scientific hair research group - the 2014 hair loss congress. Whether you like it or not he's part of that scientific group now. You could perhaps prevent that if you could get him banned from the 2014 hair loss congress (like a few posters have talked about) but I don't think you can get it done. I think that the hair loss congress respects Nigam more than it respects a bunch of hair website jabbers.

Yeah, not quite. He's submitted an abstract for a poster presentation. As someone who has done this numerous times, for many different conferences, i can tell you first hand that there is practically no vetting of the material presented other than to check that the subject matter is appropriate for the venue. And even with that they are very lenient. Basically anyone could submit an abstract and they'll accept it.

The hair congress respects Nigam only so long as his membership dues are paid and he's paid for his place at the conference. His presence there is no indication of the validity of his "research" and is certainly not an endorsement.

Plus, we may be putting the cart before the horse. Nigam may not even show up for it. This all could be for show. Sort of like the photo bombs he had with Gerd and company.

[Arashi]

And it's also random posters on internet message boards who are badmouthing Dr. Nigam.

When are you Nigam-haters going to email the 2014 hair loss congress to badmouth Nigam? They'll get a big kick out of you random posters at hair websites badmouthing one of their speakers. And please mention that Nigam has had some poor hair transplant results. I'm sure that they will be surprised to learn that there is a hair transplant doctor out there who has not had 100% success rate.

Yeah I think someone should mail them. He's going to talk about donor doubling, while ALL 4 known cases (including his own test !) FAILED. So what the hell is he going to talk about ? How to NOT do it ?

[BoSox]

interesting article

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/12/health/stem-cell-study-doubts/

[nameless]

Better idea ,
Dallas Buyers Club
Hair regrowth + no AIDS
2 for 1

Dallas Buyer's club is not doing hair cell treatments.

bzzzt! Next!

[gladiator]

Hellouser, if we try to get a western doctor to open a clinic in India that means we have to accomplish 2 things:

1. Convince a western doctor to relocate to India.

2. Get him to start treatments early.


Obviously if we get an Indian doctor to do treatments early then we only have to accomplish one of those things. It's simply easier if we try to get an Indian doctor to do treatments early.

Better idea ,
Dallas Buyers Club
Hair regrowth + no AIDS
2 for 1

[nameless]

This Nigam guy is taking cues from random posters on an internet message board for his "experiments"

There are thousands of world-class Indian doctors in this world, why do I need this quack treating me.

And it's also random posters on internet message boards who are badmouthing Dr. Nigam.

When are you Nigam-haters going to email the 2014 hair loss congress to badmouth Nigam? They'll get a big kick out of you random posters at hair websites badmouthing one of their speakers. And please mention that Nigam has had some poor hair transplant results. I'm sure that they will be surprised to learn that there is a hair transplant doctor out there who has not had 100% success rate.

[nameless]

This Nigam guy is taking cues from random posters on an internet message board for his "experiments"

There are thousands of world-class Indian doctors in this world, why do I need this quack treating me.

Have you found another Indian doctor who will do cell therapy hair loss treatments )based on the information being put out by the top hair loss researchers in the world) right now? If you are aware of world-class Indian doctors who are agreeable to trying these cells treatments (if a breakthrough is publicized soon) then I think we should talk to those world-class doctors, but I'm not aware of any other doctors who would try it except Dr. Nigam.

And keep in mind that Dr. Nigam has been working with cell experiments, but other Indian doctors may have to start from scratch.

Also keep in mind that Dr. Nigam's experiment has been accepted by a major mainstream scientific hair research group - the 2014 hair loss congress. Whether you like it or not he's part of that scientific group now. You could perhaps prevent that if you could get him banned from the 2014 hair loss congress (like a few posters have talked about) but I don't think you can get it done. I think that the hair loss congress respects Nigam more than it respects a bunch of hair website jabbers.

[tonypizza]

So then you will run the risk of staying bald up to 10 years longer than you have to. That's fine with me because then you'll be a "bye" in the competition for women. If I get my hair back and you don't have yours then you will be a "free pass" when it comes to competing for women.

This Nigam guy is taking cues from random posters on an internet message board for his "experiments"

There are thousands of world-class Indian doctors in this world, why do I need this quack treating me.

[HairBane]

No one should believe a word Nigam says after everything that has happened. He was caught posting fake pics and offered us a ridiculous explanation. Forum members traveled to India for procedures with him and have nothing to show for it but a messed up donor region and a much lighter pocketbook. He injected people with animal serum!!! And let's not even get into all that shadiness involving the weight loss business and the rival HT doctor. If the Indian police are having trouble finding Nigam at least now they know where he'll be in April.

I'm shocked that Nigam is speaking at the conference. I can only imagine that they didn't do much vetting of speakers. Sadly, scientific fraud is all too common, and sometimes even the most respectable scientists have trouble recognizing it. Just look at what happened with the Japanese scientist who published an amazing breakthrough involving stem cells and then retracted it. She even got published in the journal Nature.

It is too bad the conference is being held in Korea. It would be great if Tom or one of Nigam's other "patients" could attend and present themselves as a case study! I would love to see that guy exposed for what he is.

If it's all bullshit he won't last long. Science is very competitive, if you present nonsense and claim to have cured baldness to a bunch of industry professionals, you can guarantee that if there are holes in the theory, they'll find them and rip him apart. Hopefully this will bring about a conclusion to the whole saga.