piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[garethbale]

To be fair... many of the regular members on BTT have recently mysteriously vanished...

Yeah, where are the likes of Too young to retire , and Veca

I contacted Nigam's office last year and they were very quick to respond. I tried at the beginning of this year and nothing.

I really did hope he might have been on to something, particularly when Mwamba got involved, but seems like Nigam is another charlatan

[hellouser]

Have any of Nigam's patients NOT completely disappeared from the hair loss forum community? It's like they've all vanished.

To be fair... many of the regular members on BTT have recently mysteriously vanished...

[Pentarou]

Funny the same guys who were riding Nigam's, Gho's, Replicel's, blah, blah, blah's nuts are now riding piloxll's nuts. C'mon people use your brains.

Oh btw how has "Dr." Nigam been coming along, lol????

Have any of Nigam's patients NOT completely disappeared from the hair loss forum community? It's like they've all vanished.

[hellouser]

Well, I stated I might go back to HASCI (depending on development of other therapies), while my standpoint is and has been now for a while, that there's no regrowth, or very little. So how am I in denial exactly ? I just want scarless surgery and right now the only option is HASCI for that. For me, regular FUE with microscarring is just no option cause I like to wear my hair very short.

You are not every other client.

[Arashi]

It's a thorough YES. He claimed 85% regeneration and so far it looks like the regeneration number is WELL below that mark.

Don't be in denial.

Well, I stated I might go back to HASCI (depending on development of other therapies), while my standpoint is and has been now for a while, that there's no regrowth, or very little. So how am I in denial exactly ? I just want scarless surgery and right now the only option is HASCI for that. For me, regular FUE with microscarring is just no option cause I like to wear my hair very short.

[Thinning@30]

For me the difference between Pilox and Nigam was that Nigam was charging people for his unproven procedures and at the same time making all sorts of grandiose claims about what he could do for hair loss sufferers. He changed protocols, he posted ridiculous photos, the hair counts made no sense, etc. He was encouraging people to travel to India for procedures, and no doubt using the attention and publicity he was getting abroad to boost his credibility among the Indian public. Anyone offering an unproven procedure should do so at no charge or at cost as part of a trial with the understanding of the patient that the procedure's efficacy has not yet been proven. At least the folks behind Pilox weren't selling anything yet (notwithstanding this business about the shady Russian website), they're not making grandiose "stop the presses, we found the cure" statements, and for the moment, they sound serious about gathering proof of efficacy. For now, I am willing to consider the possibility that they might have something.

[hellouser]

Yes and no: yes if you were expecting regrowth. No if you would settle for just a scarless transplant.

It's a thorough YES. He claimed 85% regeneration and so far it looks like the regeneration number is WELL below that mark.

Don't be in denial.

[Arashi]

I think those who went for a treatment with Dr. Gho got cheated...

Yes and no: yes if you were expecting regrowth (although still remains to be seen, I'm pretty confident it's at least nowhere near 80%, if any at all). No if you would settle for just a scarless transplant.

[bigentries]

If I choose to hope for something which turns out to fail and not spend any money on it, I was neither gullible nor was I cheated. As for the desperate part
well I think we wouldn't be here if we weren't desperate. Even those non-believers who want to prove this is a scam are desperate enough to do so.
I thought Replicel would be good but it turned out to be a bust however I didn't spend anything on it so how was I cheated?

You can't compare Aderans, Intercytex, etc., to a scam. Those were very regulated products that couldn't give a damn if you adored them or wanted them to be brought down, their results were going to speak for themselves.

I can't say just being hopeful doesn't make you gullible. With Pilox, it's difficult to say, but only a complete newbie would fall to something like habemu's potion, and we had a couple here.

The problem with scams or possible scams is that just blindly supporting one or not speaking against it makes a lot of damage, a lot of guys that have went to Nigam or Gho just did it because of the free publicity they received in hair loss forums, I bet a majority of them didn't even went for the experimental procedures

[hellouser]

If I choose to hope for something which turns out to fail and not spend any money on it, I was neither gullible nor was I cheated. As for the desperate part
well I think we wouldn't be here if we weren't desperate. Even those non-believers who want to prove this is a scam are desperate enough to do so.
I thought Replicel would be good but it turned out to be a bust however I didn't spend anything on it so how was I cheated?

I think those who went for a treatment with Dr. Gho got cheated...

[Sogeking]

Yup. It are always the same people. The gullible, the easy to cheat on & the desperate.

I saw "wolf of wallstreet" yesterday, awesome movie, hehe, main character made an interesting remark when asked why he wasn't selling his scams to rich people: cause they were too smart to be tricked into buying his scams. Just thought that was an interesting thought

If I choose to hope for something which turns out to fail and not spend any money on it, I was neither gullible nor was I cheated. As for the desperate part
well I think we wouldn't be here if we weren't desperate. Even those non-believers who want to prove this is a scam are desperate enough to do so.
I thought Replicel would be good but it turned out to be a bust however I didn't spend anything on it so how was I cheated?

[bigentries]

That's a good point. I think it's a combination of dumb people and really desperate ones that WANT to believe in scams (again, not talking about Pilox but scams in general)

I don't have a problem if someone uses scams as long as they don't defend them or lie about the results

A lot of skeptical, intelligent people resort to scams when they have a terminal illness out of desperation, but at least they have the decency of not giving them publicity.

Besides dermarolling, last year I tried two products that I knew pretty well were snake oil, but still trialed them since I read some vague information that they might work. I didn't opened threads about them and kept a low profile, just took pics in case I suddenly grew hair and had to prove it on the internet

[Arashi]

And don't confuse being desperate with being dumb.

That's a good point. I think it's a combination of dumb people and really desperate ones that WANT to believe in scams (again, not talking about Pilox but scams in general)

[NeedHairASAP]

Yup. It are always the same people. The gullible, the easy to cheat on & the desperate.

I saw "wolf of wallstreet" yesterday, awesome movie, hehe, main character made an interesting remark when asked why he wasn't selling his scams to rich people: cause they were too smart to be tricked into buying his scams. Just thought that was an interesting thought

100% of every treatment offered to date has failed. We know that. If we go off of that notion, pilox is probably a failure too. We know that. Nobody is going to be like "Oh arashi was right, he knew it."

With the track record that hair loss treatments have had, it's easy to say you predict this will fail. In fact, it's so easy to say it's almost not worth mentioning. Again, you're not saving anybody, and you're not impressing anybody. Nobody is going to look back and find your prediction impressive.


Anyway, back to the science.....

There are peer reviewed articles that back each part of pilox (copper, zinc, ionsophertisis) and the research indicates it's good. I'm very interested to see if pilox works, as nobody seems to have combined all three parts in an effort to stop hairloss.

[Atum]

Yup. It are always the same people. The gullible, the easy to cheat on & the desperate.

I saw "wolf of wallstreet" yesterday, awesome movie, hehe, main character made an interesting remark when asked why he wasn't selling his scams to rich people: cause they were too smart to be tricked into buying his scams. Just thought that was an interesting thought

Or that only 1% of the human population is rich and the rich are mostly greedy.
And don't confuse being desperate with being dumb.