piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[Arashi]

You’re a miserable person Arashi.

First of all: this board won't ban you if you are critic. However, they WILL put you into moderation queue if you insult people like you're doing now. I haven't reported this yet to he mod but the next time I will. We have respect for each other here.

As I said, no matter what proof is given, you wouldn't believe Pilox is real even if it grows hair on your head.
I’m done putting my energy on you.
Get a life!

Haha. That's of course the thing any scammer would say: no need to proof it, people will never believe me (it's pretty much what HASCI told me too). You're not exactly building a case here for yourself ...

Anyway, ok then, bye !

[vraf]

Ah so now you're posting macro pictures for the one and micro pictures for the other !! So then, you won't have any problems sharing the right pictures for the right spot: please show us the macro for that other spot and 'pre op' zoomed out for the other one.

You’re a miserable person Arashi.
As I said, no matter what proof is given, you wouldn't believe Pilox is real even if it grows hair on your head.
I’m done putting my energy on you.
Get a life!

[Arashi]

thanks Vraf, we see now

What exactly is it you see ? He never spoke about 2 spots, so that's a first and at least clears up some of the confusion. However, there's still a lot of problems. But let's see if he wants to share the right pictures here, would LOVE to see zoomed in post/preop for that other spot and vice versa. He never shared those and I have a feeling that's for a good reason.

And after that, we'll talk about those random numbers you've put in the trichoscan zoomed in picture

[porta]

thanks Vraf, we see now, i got the impression that some "personal issue" is going on with this two guys.

[Arashi]

Here you go again with your lies.
I understand your frustration with getting caught lying but keep on lying in order to cover up your former lies it’s foolish.

There are two trichscan shaved spots on my head - Left temple and right temple.
The trichscan posted picture are from the right temple while you’re trying to compare it with the left one.

How much more fool can you be? You’re making a fun of yourself.

Ah so now you're posting macro pictures for the one and micro pictures for the other !! So then, you won't have any problems sharing the right pictures for the right spot: please show us the macro for that other spot and 'pre op' zoomed out for the other one.

[vraf]

I see they now even officially banned me at the private forum. That board is even worse than HS ... Anyway, the upside is I can now talk here freely

See the comparison picture vraf posted (and arbitrary put some numbers in, seems Nigam was a good teacher there). According to vraf, that after picture corresponds to this zoomed out picture:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/45895d4b2ffde3bf40aef650e79715f5.jpg

If you zoom in on the zoomed out picture , on the crown, you will see the red tattoo and, you can compare side by side. You will get this:

http://www.imghack.se/141831

Pretty much everybody at the private forum agreed that this can simply not be the same picture. Keep in mind that according to vraf these pictures should be from about the same date.

Even the mod there, Monty, who took my posting rights (and then pm-ed me that was an ethical thing to do, LOL, he said I didnt do anything wrong but it was for the greater good, for the good of the board, LOL, cause vraf would come back) pm-ed me and told me he thought pilox was a scam. Which I can now say here too, if they behave like that, no need to be the 'good guy' neither .. So they're not only unethical, they're hypocrites too over there and ban the one guy who's really in search of the truth and speaks his mind freely (and, was right again !)

Here you go again with your lies.
I understand your frustration with getting caught lying but keep on lying in order to cover up your former lies it’s foolish.

There are two trichscan shaved spots on my head - Left temple and right temple.
The trichscan posted picture are from the right temple while you’re trying to compare it with the left one.

How much more fool can you be? You’re making a fun of yourself.

[Arashi]

Anyway, just wanted to thank this board, TBT. It's been the only board where I always could speak my mind freely - the bald truth. They won't ban you if other people simply dont like you and want you to go away. They won't ban you if you say negative things about some 'sponsor'. And unfortunately it seems that's pretty rare these days ...

[Arashi]

I see they now even officially banned me at the private forum. That board is even worse than HS ... Anyway, the upside is I can now talk here freely

See the comparison picture vraf posted (and arbitrary put some numbers in, seems Nigam was a good teacher there). According to vraf, that after picture corresponds to this zoomed out picture:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/45895d4b2ffde3bf40aef650e79715f5.jpg

If you zoom in on the zoomed out picture , on the crown, you will see the red tattoo and, you can compare side by side. You will get this:

http://www.imghack.se/141831

Pretty much everybody at the private forum agreed that this can simply not be the same picture. Keep in mind that according to vraf these pictures should be from about the same date.

Even the mod there, Monty, who took my posting rights (and then pm-ed me that was an ethical thing to do, LOL, he said I didnt do anything wrong but it was for the greater good, for the good of the board, LOL, cause vraf would come back) pm-ed me and told me he thought pilox was a scam. Which I can now say here too, if they behave like that, no need to be the 'good guy' neither .. So they're not only unethical, they're hypocrites too over there and ban the one guy who's really in search of the truth and speaks his mind freely (and, was right again !)

[Hair Bear]

Interesting, but there is no real way to know if this product really works, I cannot comment first hand unless I was given access to this product but at this stage we'll have to just wait and see.
I guess as long as the lines of communications are kept open then we can all make our own minds as to the validity of this product.
I do admire those which do try to go that extra mile to research products to simplify the process for everyone as long as they are presenting the facts in a detailed and concise manner which I believe Arashi has done so in relation to the entire Nigam debacle however it remains to be seen if he is correct or not concerning piloxll.

[BDDFreak]

This Arashi guy is so eager for that some day will come and he’ll be “honored” with “reviling Pilox scam” that nothing will stop him, even telling you lies.
I don’t mind if he thinks it’s a scam, I do mind that he’s doing the best he can (and can’t) to depress you, contrary to what I’m trying to do with sharing my info.
His act of depressing you all down with lies should ban him here also.
I do want to make an expectation and give you here, for those who are not familiar with the other forum, the possibility to see, as Arashi words: “the pictures (which) really speak for themselves”.

Where are the over head shots u also took in comparison to the ones u just posted? That's is what arashi said in comparison looks odd. Not that one picture alone.

[vraf]

Arashi tells you lies

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

This Arashi guy is so eager for that some day will come and he’ll be “honored” with “reviling Pilox scam” that nothing will stop him, even telling you lies.
I don’t mind if he thinks it’s a scam, I do mind that he’s doing the best he can (and can’t) to depress you, contrary to what I’m trying to do with sharing my info.
His act of depressing you all down with lies should ban him here also.
I do want to make an expectation and give you here, for those who are not familiar with the other forum, the possibility to see, as Arashi words: “the pictures (which) really speak for themselves”.

[NeedHairASAP]

the pictures are strange... but I don't see the upside of writing this off so quickly.


The other thing is, we've seen a bunch of really convincing pictures... if they were faking, why would they now leak these obviously strange pictures? It would be a complete 180 from what is in their interest if a scam artist..... am I wrong?

[NeedHairASAP]

Oh the science seems sound does it? Can you explain what is so sound about it?

I explained in the thread earlier.....give it a read

[Thinning@30]

Ugh. Say it ain't so. I really wanted this stuff to be real. Everything else in the pipeline is years away from being commercialized. Arashi, I liked what you did with Nigam. I thought there might be something to the PiloxII stuff since they were talking about publishing and they seemed to be going about things in a methodical manner. When Yoram and then Vraf left the other forum it looked really odd, I mean, assuming you're legit, what is the point of engaging the hair loss community if not to face tough questions and cross examination. We shouldn't tolerate rudeness, but of course people are going to be skeptical and once you post images, people are going to analyze them and come up with all kinds of stuff. I think it just goes to show, we have to be especially wary of any new treatment that isn't going through formal clinical trials.

[bananana]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

agreed.