piloxll:new israeli method combines wounding+ zi/cu ions to destroy dht in the scalp

[greatjob!]

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

Oh the science seems sound does it? Can you explain what is so sound about it?

[TwoInchCircle]

At least this one people figured out pretty fast lol! Not like with nigam, he had almost messiah status here.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss something so soon just because a forum member said they 'saw' something and interpreted it as fake. After all, there was much optimistic thinking based on a forum member 'seeing' something earlier regarding pilox. (And that was dismissed as naive, desperate thinking!)

Until I see these 'faked' images, this is still a viable possibility for me. The science seems sound and the pictures I've seen look good. That's enough to make me wonder if this could be something special.

Even if these images never surface, we will know if this is real or not within a year anyway. We'll know when we know.

[cocacola]

At least this one people figured out pretty fast lol! Not like with nigam, he had almost messiah status here.

[bananana]

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

Oh, can you take screenshots of those pics? Or any other concrete info?
I'm trying to be optimistic here, I need to see proof before making judgement.

[locke999]

Arashi, you are one of the most logically sound poster on this forum and if you have came to that conclusion then I will also write this off.

[Arashi]

What is going on? Why the sudden negativity?

Well, they functionally already banned me there anyway (they took my posting rights away cause vraf didnt like me being around too much which was reason enough for the mod to take my posting rights), so: vraf posted some pictures: zoomed out, showing his full head and macro photo's zoomed in. When comparing the zoomed in to the zoomed out photo's, they possibly couldn't be from the same area (as vraf claimed). So, he posted fake pictures (or what I believe, from a different patient). The only reason he'd do that of course is that he was working with Yoram all the time. And that makes a LOT of sense. You remember vraf was the guy who went to the hairdresser, then supposedly magically came into contact with a pilox representative, who showed him a book full of result photo's (for a product that was still in prototype stage). That whole story never made ANY sense to me. Why would a pilox rep go to a hairdresser with a book of result photo's for a prototype stage product and show it to arbitrary clients in the shop ? And why was there a book in the first place ?

Anyway, so now it turns out vraf posted fake pictures (there's just no other explanation that would make any sense, the pictures really speak for themselves). So at this point I think it makes sense to write this whole thing off as scam. There's just no other way to look at it anymore.

[Dan26]

Why on earth is there even an private forum?
We are all in the same shelf here, if there is something new in this case than i would like to know it and i think anyone who comes in this thread or on this forum as well.

The piloxx ppl and some involved felt better sharing certain info there (pvt forum) rather than here, and I dont blame them

however since then they've fell victim to butthurtitis and now we know as much as you guys

[bananana]

What is going on? Why the sudden negativity?

[Atum]

Why on earth is there even an private forum?
We are all in the same shelf here, if there is something new in this case than i would like to know it and i think anyone who comes in this thread or on this forum as well.

[Arashi]

Eh? What private forums?

If i'd link they'd ban me here. And if i talk about the case they'd ban me there. They already took my posting rights. So, sorry, stuck between a rock and a hard place here ...

[Kiwi]

We're not allowed to comment here on photo's placed in the private forum but I can say this now (without going into details) : where I previously thought 70% chance of things not going to proof to be something real, I'm now at 95%. vraf pretty much made my case and confirmed my suspicions. I'm not 100% sure yet pilox doesn't work at all (it might work a bit), but at this point I am 99.9% sure at least vraf is working together with Pilox and trying to boast their (marginal) results. I don't think anybody with a decent brain can deny that at this point.

History repeating itself over and over again ...

Eh? What private forums?

[Arashi]

We're not allowed to comment here on photo's placed in the private forum but I can say this now (without going into details) : where I previously thought 70% chance of things not going to proof to be something real, I'm now at 95%. vraf pretty much made my case and confirmed my suspicions. I'm not 100% sure yet pilox doesn't work at all (it might work a bit), but at this point I am 99.9% sure at least vraf is working together with Pilox and trying to boast their (marginal) results. I don't think anybody with a decent brain can deny that at this point.

History repeating itself over and over again ...

[locke999]

This was supposed to hit market in 8 months. January's almost over so there's about 7 months left. If this isn't legit I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and get on propecia.

Get on propecia now.

I tried it for 2 weeks, had side effects, stopped taking it, now back to normal.

I waited, and tried to take it again, had side effects again, stopped taking, and back to normal again.

It didn't work for me but you might as well try the best thing out there right now instead of waiting until your hair get worst.

[BDDFreak]

This was supposed to hit market in 8 months. January's almost over so there's about 7 months left. If this isn't legit I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and get on propecia.

[kmit028]

Yeah I'm confused about the logistics of the device too. Is there a certain amount of zinc or whatever being injected as ions that eventually gets used up?

I guess you could just wound, apply CB, then use the device?

This is from another forum about the device:

In a nutshell It's a device with six metal disks and serve (So i was told, I cannot feel it) some ions/pulses

No needles

the disks are somewhat rugged - like a chainsaw

to my understanding the trick is the copper/zinc coated metal plates delivering the goods via ions and making a new dht free surrounding if that makes sense