Dermarolling Community Trial

[DesperateOne]

Try setting your expectations to something more realistic. I would not expect to be able to see any improvement until at least four to six months - more likely six months than four. To expect to be able to see any results in less than four months is not realistic at all.

I thought you were going to stay away because people were beign aggressive towards you. I guess you had a change of heart

[gainspotter]

Try setting your expectations to something more realistic. I would not expect to be able to see any improvement until at least four to six months - more likely six months than four. To expect to be able to see any results in less than four months is not realistic at all.

I hope so.

[Tracy C]

I thought you were going to stay away because people were beign aggressive towards you.

I am staying away from several threads that are thoroughly infested with fools who desperately need someone to slap some sense into them. If you follow those threads, you will easily find that the most aggressive members are the biggest fools. I no longer have any patience for them. I will call them fools and idiots because those words very accurately describe those people. If I get banned for doing so, so be it. I simply don't care anymore.

This thread however is about a treatment that I feel might have some merit. I am disappointed that there are not enough people trying to duplicate the results of the pilot study - but something is better than nothing. Anyways, these guys who expect to see results in a matter of weeks are not being realistic and obviously do not understand how hair cycles work. They also do not understand that there is a difference between "statistically significant" and "cosmetically significant". Results that may be "statistically significant" may happen within the time frame reported in the pilot study, but "cosmetically significant" results will take a lot longer.

[hairandthere]

Just wanted to throw it out there that I'm also trialing dermarolling with a 1.5mm roller after having seen the recent study reports, even if the claimed density results seemed literally unbelievable. I have to add that I'm not interested in replicating the study.

I would classify myself as somewhere between NW3 and NW4. I first started 1mg finasteride a little less than a decade ago and was on it almost 2 years. Looking back, I think it did wonders in regrowing from NW2 to NW1 over 16 months and then maintaining. I was feeling like my nipples were getting softer and bigger and was getting iffy about messing with my hormones so I dropped it. I then used minox for a year until I got a serious girlfriend and quit everything altogether. A few years back I got serious about it again for 6 months and tried daily RU and Dutasteride twice a week, both for the first time.

I ended up moving out of my home country for a while and it became difficult to obtain these kinds of products so I waited until I recently returned. So a few months ago, I decided to throw the kitchen sink at it in a last ditch attempt to miraculously recover to perhaps NW2 level? I was a good responder before so I'm hoping it's not too late and I can still reverse the damage that happened the last couple of years. I'm committing to a solid year of the following regimen to see if this is possible:



I use the 1.5mm dermaroller every 4-6 days (usually the day I buzz down with either no-guard or the lowest guard) until i get little specs of blood over the whole horseshoe area, which I then wash off and then immediately apply Polaris NR-10 16% minox. I use this minox twice daily, dermarolling or not.

The rest of my regimen: .5mg propecia every day, 60-70mg RU from Kane over whole horsehoe area three times a day (~200mg total daily), 2% nizoral 1-2 times a week. Start times:

RU since June 2013
Fin since mid July 2013, took 2mg first day, 1mg second day, .5mg since
Kirkland Minoxidil 5% foam June-July 2013
Polaris NR-10 16% Minoxidil since August 2013
Dermaroller since end July 2013
2% Nizoral since February 2013


I'll likely add CB in next once a good vehicle is found. I've actually ordered 2 pcs of the Iron Dragon version to see what they have to offer.

Sorry, I don't like taking, much less posting pics, and even much less looking at the situation too much as the less I think about it the better. I just try to integrate the regimen as seamlessly into the daily routine and move-on knowing that I'm already doing as much as possible

Should something miraculous happen, I'm sure I could find some pics showing the difference, which could then be endlessly scrutinized for legitimacy!

[DesperateOne]

Just wanted to throw it out there that I'm also trialing dermarolling with a 1.5mm roller after having seen the recent study reports, even if the claimed density results seemed literally unbelievable. I have to add that I'm not interested in replicating the study.

I would classify myself as somewhere between NW3 and NW4. I first started 1mg finasteride a little less than a decade ago and was on it almost 2 years. Looking back, I think it did wonders in regrowing from NW2 to NW1 over 16 months and then maintaining. I was feeling like my nipples were getting softer and bigger and was getting iffy about messing with my hormones so I dropped it. I then used minox for a year until I got a serious girlfriend and quit everything altogether. A few years back I got serious about it again for 6 months and tried daily RU and Dutasteride twice a week, both for the first time.

I ended up moving out of my home country for a while and it became difficult to obtain these kinds of products so I waited until I recently returned. So a few months ago, I decided to throw the kitchen sink at it in a last ditch attempt to miraculously recover to perhaps NW2 level? I was a good responder before so I'm hoping it's not too late and I can still reverse the damage that happened the last couple of years. I'm committing to a solid year of the following regimen to see if this is possible:



I use the 1.5mm dermaroller every 4-6 days (usually the day I buzz down with either no-guard or the lowest guard) until i get little specs of blood over the whole horseshoe area, which I then wash off and then immediately apply Polaris NR-10 16% minox. I use this minox twice daily, dermarolling or not.

The rest of my regimen: .5mg propecia every day, 60-70mg RU from Kane over whole horsehoe area three times a day (~200mg total daily), 2% nizoral 1-2 times a week. Start times:

RU since June 2013
Fin since mid July 2013, took 2mg first day, 1mg second day, .5mg since
Kirkland Minoxidil 5% foam June-July 2013
Polaris NR-10 16% Minoxidil since August 2013
Dermaroller since end July 2013
2% Nizoral since February 2013


I'll likely add CB in next once a good vehicle is found. I've actually ordered 2 pcs of the Iron Dragon version to see what they have to offer.

Sorry, I don't like taking, much less posting pics, and even much less looking at the situation too much as the less I think about it the better. I just try to integrate the regimen as seamlessly into the daily routine and move-on knowing that I'm already doing as much as possible

Should something miraculous happen, I'm sure I could find some pics showing the difference, which could then be endlessly scrutinized for legitimacy!

16% minox after derma rolling? Holly crap, watch out man, you might get heart problems. Well it looks like you have a lot of stuff on you, the derma rolling is not intended for absorption purposes, although it will probably will help in the absl toon process. What we're trying to achieve here is neogenesis. Anyways, good luck with your regimen. I also think you're adding a lot of RU a day, and seeing it as it is expensive I take it you make pretty good money.l, you lucky bastard.

[DesperateOne]

I am staying away from several threads that are thoroughly infested with fools who desperately need someone to slap some sense into them. If you follow those threads, you will easily find that the most aggressive members are the biggest fools. I no longer have any patience for them. I will call them fools and idiots because those words very accurately describe those people. If I get banned for doing so, so be it. I simply don't care anymore.

This thread however is about a treatment that I feel might have some merit. I am disappointed that there are not enough people trying to duplicate the results of the pilot study - but something is better than nothing. Anyways, these guys who expect to see results in a matter of weeks are not being realistic and obviously do not understand how hair cycles work. They also do not understand that there is a difference between "statistically significant" and "cosmetically significant". Results that may be "statistically significant" may happen within the time frame reported in the pilot study, but "cosmetically significant" results will take a lot longer.

You're right Tracy, sometimes I wonder if its even worth it comin here so often. I would follow the study to the T but I can't take this curse no more, I do feel like it will help me adding Cet on day 4-7 when the healing has almost ended. I just hope if this process works and we do get neogenesis, that it can be reproduced indefinitely and be compounded.

[Chromeo]

Normally I would also tend to believe any changes would take at least 6 months to appear...however, this was a 12 week study and the results appear to be "cosmetically significant" in as little as 3 months.

Therefore, for those sticking to the method laid out in the study, it would not be entirely unrealistic to expect comparable results at a similar early stage. Otherwise it would have to suggest that the subjects of the test must have been exceptionally good responders, or that the results themselves are of questionable authenticity.

Let's hope for positive results amongst forum users.

[chimera]

I really don't understand the pics from the study. Because in the study it's says that all participants were shaved so it could be easy to measure differences, but in the pics from the end of the study the hair is waaay longer than what hair can growth in just three months. So, are the pics fake, or those pics were not takes three months after, but maybe more months after (which would be good, as for those results I would gladly wait a whole year), but it is not clear.

[Knockin on NW4]

Cetrizine will not grow hair. i wouldnt waste your time. most people report only increased shedding.

[Chromeo]

I really don't understand the pics from the study. Because in the study it's says that all participants were shaved so it could be easy to measure differences, but in the pics from the end of the study the hair is waaay longer than what hair can growth in just three months. So, are the pics fake, or those pics were not takes three months after, but maybe more months after (which would be good, as for those results I would gladly wait a whole year), but it is not clear.

I agree, I feel the results are questionable. I remain optimistic, however.

[clandestine]

Just wanted to throw it out there that I'm also trialing dermarolling with a 1.5mm roller after having seen the recent study reports, even if the claimed density results seemed literally unbelievable. I have to add that I'm not interested in replicating the study.

I would classify myself as somewhere between NW3 and NW4. I first started 1mg finasteride a little less than a decade ago and was on it almost 2 years. Looking back, I think it did wonders in regrowing from NW2 to NW1 over 16 months and then maintaining. I was feeling like my nipples were getting softer and bigger and was getting iffy about messing with my hormones so I dropped it. I then used minox for a year until I got a serious girlfriend and quit everything altogether. A few years back I got serious about it again for 6 months and tried daily RU and Dutasteride twice a week, both for the first time.

I ended up moving out of my home country for a while and it became difficult to obtain these kinds of products so I waited until I recently returned. So a few months ago, I decided to throw the kitchen sink at it in a last ditch attempt to miraculously recover to perhaps NW2 level? I was a good responder before so I'm hoping it's not too late and I can still reverse the damage that happened the last couple of years. I'm committing to a solid year of the following regimen to see if this is possible:



I use the 1.5mm dermaroller every 4-6 days (usually the day I buzz down with either no-guard or the lowest guard) until i get little specs of blood over the whole horseshoe area, which I then wash off and then immediately apply Polaris NR-10 16% minox. I use this minox twice daily, dermarolling or not.

The rest of my regimen: .5mg propecia every day, 60-70mg RU from Kane over whole horsehoe area three times a day (~200mg total daily), 2% nizoral 1-2 times a week. Start times:

RU since June 2013
Fin since mid July 2013, took 2mg first day, 1mg second day, .5mg since
Kirkland Minoxidil 5% foam June-July 2013
Polaris NR-10 16% Minoxidil since August 2013
Dermaroller since end July 2013
2% Nizoral since February 2013


I'll likely add CB in next once a good vehicle is found. I've actually ordered 2 pcs of the Iron Dragon version to see what they have to offer.

Sorry, I don't like taking, much less posting pics, and even much less looking at the situation too much as the less I think about it the better. I just try to integrate the regimen as seamlessly into the daily routine and move-on knowing that I'm already doing as much as possible

Should something miraculous happen, I'm sure I could find some pics showing the difference, which could then be endlessly scrutinized for legitimacy!

That is a seriously impressive regimen. I wish my body could handle all that.

Add CB, you might just cure hair loss.

[KeepHoping]

I'm trying to follow the studies protocol Tracy... I can't be sure if I'm dermarolling correctly because I'm the one doing it but I'm doing it once a week and not starting the minoxidil until 24hrs afterward. I'm a diffuse thinner as well and took some baseline shots so if I see anything of cosmetic difference I will take after shots and try to post a comparison for you guys. I have been on fin for like 3 years now just fyi in case that skews the data. Wishing everyone the best of luck!

[chimera]

No exactly clear in my opinion. The way it's phrased doesn't tell us if they were STILL on fin and minox when they started microneedling. Either way, it says they had no improvement prior to microneedling so it's not like it gave them much of an advantage, that's the key.

Well I don't know about minox, but about fin:

-Men on Finasteride or other anti-androgenic medications within past 6 months, any known systemic Illness were excluded-

[DesperateOne]

Cetrizine will not grow hair. i wouldnt waste your time. most people report only increased shedding.

Where did you see this? I saw that people gained peach hair.

[Chromeo]

Where did you see this? I saw that people gained peach hair.

It does indeed. I used it for almost a year.