Dr Nigam, my own experience

[sausage]

What Nigams needs to do is get a NW7 to his clinic and give him 15k grafts.

If he pays me £20,000 to do it, then I'll do it.

[FearTheLoss]

You're right, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. In fact to the best of my knowledge this has never been done. EVER

Obviously we'll be doing this with my HST next month...

But surely this sample area is a worthy take on whether it works or not. I understand you're extremely skeptical, especially with Nigams track record. However if we have a sample area of 100 grafts which we can clearly see have been wounded multiple times and we can see which grafts (e.g 45 x 2 hair grafts, 30 x 1 hair grafts and 25 x 3 hair grafts) have been extracted and re-implanted then if these 100 grafts (195 hairs) show 100 grafts/195 hairs regrowth then it will be difficult to refute it.

The only possible explanation not to believe it could be that you think Nigam has faked the sample area with bloody spots to make it look like something has happened, obviously then it will appear as 100% regrowth. This is what you're on about right?

Well we will at least know by October what HST regeneration is, what dr mwamba says about donor doubling, what pilofocus is about, histogen update at the conference as well...

[gc83uk]

Not sure how you can ever verify that ? It's impossible. The only reasonable analysis would be to do a hair count of the whole donor area before and after. And this is really impossible in this case, since Nigams shaved AFTER the pre-op pictures were taken, no tattoo's were made and we can't distinguish extractions from implants.

I respect that you're even still looking at it Gaz, it would be great if we could say something useful about all this in the end, but it's simply impossible. Nigams has to get a slick bald NW7 and give him 10k grafts. And of course shave the guy before the pre-op pics. That's THE way to prove his work. But trust my words, this is never going to happen.

You're right, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. In fact to the best of my knowledge this has never been done. EVER

Obviously we'll be doing this with my HST next month...

But surely this sample area is a worthy take on whether it works or not. I understand you're extremely skeptical, especially with Nigams track record. However if we have a sample area of 100 grafts which we can clearly see have been wounded multiple times and we can see which grafts (e.g 45 x 2 hair grafts, 30 x 1 hair grafts and 25 x 3 hair grafts) have been extracted and re-implanted then if these 100 grafts (195 hairs) show 100 grafts/195 hairs regrowth then it will be difficult to refute it.

The only possible explanation not to believe it could be that you think Nigam has faked the sample area with bloody spots to make it look like something has happened, obviously then it will appear as 100% regrowth. This is what you're on about right?

Btw you said 'we can't distinguish extractions from implants.'

I thought the part-grafts were implanted back into the extraction points, no?

[Arashi]

If we can't verify such, then the sample area as a test is dead, regardless of how many months Boldy and co tell us we should wait for

Not sure how you can ever verify that ? It's impossible. The only reasonable analysis would be to do a hair count of the whole donor area before and after. And this is really impossible in this case, since Nigams shaved AFTER the pre-op pictures were taken, no tattoo's were made and we can't distinguish extractions from implants.

I respect that you're even still looking at it Gaz, it would be great if we could say something useful about all this in the end, but it's simply impossible. Nigams has to get a slick bald NW7 and give him 10k grafts. And of course shave the guy before the pre-op pics. That's THE way to prove his work. But trust my words, this is never going to happen.

[gc83uk]

Look at the nevus just under the circle on the first image (i've made a red arrow to see itbetter)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64092502/rDTTkCXxxoXr30uMCcOIkdnElCb0tBcIDFWR3fmVRQU.jpg

it could be use easily as a "natural" mark, altough i'm not be sure the position of the same nevus on the second image

Good spot. Are you aware if these 'original high res' versions of the photos have been published online?

I want to be able to verify how many hairs per graft are present in each FU in this red circle. Nigam has already detailed as above, however would be nice to confirm it.

We also need to make sure this area has actually had FU's extracted as the after photo is not the same area (as confirmed by Nigam himself and more recently Tom).

If we can't verify such, then the sample area as a test is dead, regardless of how many months Boldy and co tell us we should wait for

And yes that 2nd photo with the arrow and possible birthmark may well be the same area.

[mari0s]

What do we get? A bunch of people doubting him and complaining about safety.

funny thing is when replicel (the only thing we'll see before 2020) will come out, it will need to go a clinic with a lab to use their cell therapy, so i wonder if there will be the same high concern to go an indonesian, chinese, malaysian clinic than go to Nigams

[lilpauly]

Lilpauly if you are considering a transplant...than all hope is lost because you have tried every concoction on the planet to save your hair. I will have given up hope.

Transplant is the ONLY way I can have hair again.. Sucks. On top of that, I'd have to go through the embarrassment at work and deal with transplant jokes as a 27 year old. Terrible.

I hate balding. Damn this curse.

It sucks I stop with a hardcore regimen and my hair suffers. Let me tell u the vehicles for Minox is garbage. I'm getting promox, proxiphen is a stable and capillogain has been good to me. When I was just using ru and liogaone my hairline took a beating

[LMS]

I hope you don't mind when I said you invited me. I'm just looking for a place with a bit better signal to noise ratio and to of course monitor your progress.

My username is the same as here.

In the mean time I'd just like to say, irregardless if this whole "Nigams" thing succeeds , I think this is what we need. More renegades so to speak. I find it laughable how people moan and complain about the FDA and their stringent approval processes, the lack of transparency these big biotechs provide and the seemingly snail pace they move at.

And here comes Dr Nigams someone who we've all been waiting for. Someone transparent (relatively speaking of course), who works swiftly and keeps the community in loop. What do we get? A bunch of people doubting him and complaining about safety.

I say choose one you sh.itheads. You wanna go back to the big biotechs who have given us so much in the past 20 years? Go right a head. If you wanna go put your faith in that maybe you guys can have a full head of hair in 50 years lol.

Me? I'm glad places like India and people like Dr Nigams exist. We can quickly and swiftly test new protocols and we dont have to waste 10 years just to find out some protocol doesn't work.

I'm not saying I think Dr nigams will work, hell, theres a good chance hes a fraud but atleast we're doing something.


tl:dr gotta risk it for the biscuit

[mari0s]

Marios I've just picked up the end of this conversation, can you confirm exactly which reference mark your referring to:

Are we talking about photo 1a strip left in that link?

Look at the nevus just under the circle on the first image (i've made a red arrow to see itbetter)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/64092502/rDTTkCXxxoXr30uMCcOIkdnElCb0tBcIDFWR3fmVRQU.jpg

it could be use easily as a "natural" mark, altough i'm not be sure the position of the same nevus on the second image

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

a guess what that you saw was stedents mostly. just take a trip deeper in smaller towns of the country and you will be shocked with dealers.corrupted police whores ...gangs... it is becoming a shit

I know, I was in Greece in 2009 in February just after the riots started... one of the subway trains was set on fire a day before I arrived in Athens.

When it comes to protesting, the Greeks know how to do it.

I was at a protest in Canada, most people were sitting on the sidewalk in a group... what a failure.

[TO YOUNG TO RETIRE]

i hope we do it

Hey man,

its genetic, (don't ask me why, I know its crazy!) but it is, the dermap pailla overexpresses Androgen receptors. is sensitive for androgens, while the donore area dermal papillas do not. Your life style can speed up or slow down hairloss, (food, sleep and stress), but its not the actuall cause. by eating well, (the right balance of omega 3 and 6, sleeping well, and avoid stress, you can slow down hairloss, but in the end, we will go bald.

each cell is like a factory, and programmed. on beard hairs androgens works as a growth factor. My vision is to make use of this property and so these cells.

[hellouser]

i can do that we leave like mafia here due to crysis, very easy to beat somebody or put some albanians do it,

I know, I was in Greece in 2009 in February just after the riots started... one of the subway trains was set on fire a day before I arrived in Athens.

When it comes to protesting, the Greeks know how to do it.

I was at a protest in Canada, most people were sitting on the sidewalk in a group... what a failure.

[Boldy]

Its in the chat archive, if you search back there 2 days ago, but a full post is coming within 1 hour .

[Boldy]

yes thats true.


boldy can i ask

should i feel guilty of letting my self getting stressed and depressed of my normal life difficultes, job-relationship etc?

is it all a programmed gene? or trying to avoid every person and difficulty to be a bit more happy will keep more hair?

Hey man,

its genetic, (don't ask me why, I know its crazy!) but it is, the dermap pailla overexpresses Androgen receptors. is sensitive for androgens, while the donore area dermal papillas do not. Your life style can speed up or slow down hairloss, (food, sleep and stress), but its not the actuall cause. by eating well, (the right balance of omega 3 and 6, sleeping well, and avoid stress, you can slow down hairloss, but in the end, we will go bald.

each cell is like a factory, and programmed. on beard hairs androgens works as a growth factor. My vision is to make use of this property and so these cells.

[Henkeh91]

Maybe a bit off topic, I can't find you tread Boldy. I've tried the search function without any success.