50 grafts patch test in Vitro Hair Doubling as requested by GC @Dr. Nigam's

[drnigams]

Arashi is smart..just let everybody read it and say what do they claim from thier preservation medium...remember you cannot hide anythting when you submit a paent application for a process...and compare with all the rubbish im is talking.. to misguide the members...

I'm think I'm just reading it. You mean this, right: http://www.google.com/patents/EP1957...ed=0CDcQ6AEwAA

[Arashi]

Arashi,
I have it stored in my e drive,will post all the links of claims in patent as against claims mentioned on the website tmr.

I'm think I'm just reading it. You mean this, right: http://www.google.com/patents/EP1957...ed=0CDcQ6AEwAA

[drnigams]

Arashi,
I have it stored in my e drive,will post all the links of claims in patent as against claims mentioned on the website tmr.

Do you have an URL/link please ?

[drnigams]

gc, read the bold letters,
IM himself says the preservation medium triggers cell proliferation/cell division..please understand only one type of cells that is stemcells can proliferate..
That.s why he says his process is called hair stemcell.
And at the begining he says preservation medium does not multiply...im does not understands ..multiplication..cell division...proliferation ...is the same thing..!

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some additional factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - but never reached ...

[Arashi]

Maybe this image will clear things up:

Actually, it only confuses me more: if Telogen is 5 weeks and anagen on average 4 years, then it doesn't explain the 80% .

5/(4*52) = 2.5% failed regrowth instead of 20%.

[hellouser]

Maybe this image will clear things up:

That should clear things up for those going through shedding; it takes a minimum of 2 months to see a difference, and considering hair grows about 10cm/year then even after 3 months you'd still only see 1cm of hair, hence why noticeable (desired) results only come in at around 6 months or more. What also needs to be taken into account is that shedding doesnt start and stop all of a sudden, its a continuous process; we could be shedding from minoxidil/fin/ru/cb for sometime until things stabilize and we get consistency.

[534623]

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

Do you think that, for example, someone like Dr. Cole would try to tell you BS concerning this issue?

[JJJJrS]

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

Maybe this image will clear things up:

[drnigams]

Does im bets on this...just google european patents by dr gho..there are few 2 to 3 such papers and you will find the following...
details about ecm like collagen ,laminin in preservation media to activate cd34+ stemcells in the extracted fu.
Roleof hdmc cell line in preservation medium,role of granulators like calcium chloride to speed up the activation process.
Nowhere as against the claim in their website the invention in the patent paper mentions that they extract stemcell by their triple wave needle.

Now our friend im, has gone to the last resort the oral medications given before and after the procedure is the secret ingredient...i did not think the im the surgeon ...will become im the physician depending on his oral prescription to multiply follicles...

There you go Dr Nigam - Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles.

Straight fron Iron Man.

You must have misunderstood him somewhere to claim otherwise.

[534623]

gc,
nsn shows 8 fu growing as doubles out of the 9 visible in the photo posted ,one extraction site was outside the frame of the photo,you can confirmt he same.
Which means 90% regeneration at donor.

Could we see a high quality BEFORE photo of the birthmark area? No.

Could we see what exactly you extracted (just the follicles' tips??) around the birthmark area? No.

So far, you have proven absolutely NOTHING. Zilch, zero, nada <--that is much lesser than 100%! Just in case you have problems to understand ...

[Arashi]

I'm not familar with the technology and how well it can be applied for hair transplants, but theoretically, a device that could "unblind" the extraction process would be very useful. Even for HST, you would be able to avoid extracting hairs in the telogen phase.

But Dr Nigams never spoke about the telogen phase. He was only interested in cutting the graft at the right point. That's what I'm trying to say. If IM and GC are correct here, then Dr Nigams has been talking quite a bit of BS.

[drnigams]

Common IM , explain this to Arashi..you know it...If the lower regen in im's procedure was due to 20% fu being in telogen,than don't you understand the traditional fue and fut procedure will also have 20% fu in telogen...which means no transplantation in the world can create more than 80% regrowth of transplanted fu...a good way to cover up your technique flaw of lower regen...

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some addition factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - never reached ...

[JJJJrS]

Should be very interesting. Cause if you guys are right, then everything that Dr Nigams has been doing and saying here pretty much was total BS. Using ultrasound technology won't make ANY difference at all in that case.

I'm not familar with the technology and how well it can be applied for hair transplants, but theoretically, a device that could "unblind" the extraction process would be very useful. Even for HST, you would be able to avoid extracting hairs in the telogen phase.

[gc83uk]

That is correct!
Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles. The medium has just the power to keep the enclosed (but significantly reduced) cells within the follicle tissue not just alive - the medium has also the power to trigger healthy cell-proliferation/division in the grafts (aka "in vivo hair stem cell multiplication). All that (including some addition factors patients' get orally before and after the procedure) is Dr. Gho's rocket science ... lol ... often tried to copy - never reached ...

There you go Dr Nigam - Dr. Gho's preservation medium doesn't have the power to multiply follicles.

Straight fron Iron Man.

You must have misunderstood him somewhere to claim otherwise.

[Arashi]

gc,
media..just read their patent..preservation media contents have been claimed to activate stemcells and multiply follicles....

Do you have an URL/link please ?