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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by Thinning87
    I don't recall him saying that with firmness in the interview. I think he was kind of giving a rough estimate. And I'm pretty sure he said that was the best case scenario. But I don't remember the interview exactly so I might be wrong.

    Whichever it is I'm gonna start saving $10k per year in the hope of a hairy future.

    Also, what makes me optimistic is that all trials went so well - I don't see how this could fail before its release, especially with the continued growth a lot of people showed. **** I'm gonna get back on finasteride only because of them so they'd better release that shit soon!!!
    He said "I'm not here to give anyone false hope and I don't want to be overly optimistic, but I would say something along the lines of 2-3 years for Asia and somewhere around 5 for the US."

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  • Thinning87
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    I don't recall him saying that with firmness in the interview. I think he was kind of giving a rough estimate. And I'm pretty sure he said that was the best case scenario. But I don't remember the interview exactly so I might be wrong.

    Whichever it is I'm gonna start saving $10k per year in the hope of a hairy future.

    Also, what makes me optimistic is that all trials went so well - I don't see how this could fail before its release, especially with the continued growth a lot of people showed. **** I'm gonna get back on finasteride only because of them so they'd better release that shit soon!!!

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by Thinning87
    Dude if that we're true my life would be complete. I have everything I just need my hair to grow back and stay. Let's hope you're right!!!!!!!!!
    Im quoting what Ziering said in his interview with Spencer..and I trust Ziering to be a credible source. So barring any unforeseen health concerns or that ****ing skin company trying to sue them again they should be on track. Can't wait for the update coming in a month!!!

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  • Thinning87
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    Dude if that we're true my life would be complete. I have everything I just need my hair to grow back and stay. Let's hope you're right!!!!!!!!!

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by Scientalk56
    I hope that too..!
    Histogen will be available in asia after phase 2b...there is no need to do a phase III trial for asia as there is no FDA approval required. We are looking at 2015 asia and 2017 usa

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  • Scientalk56
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    Originally posted by hellouser
    I've been under the impression Phase III is one single phase rather than 'A' and 'B' as far as I'm aware, Histogen themselves decided to do a two-step Phase II trial with 'A' and 'B'
    I hope that too..!

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by Scientalk56
    Every Phase will take at least 1 year.
    let's assume that it takes half year between two phases:

    Phase 2b - June 2013 - June 2014
    phase 3a - January 2015 - January 2016 -
    phase 3b - June 2016 - June 2017 -

    It means it wont be released before 2018.. and wont be FDA approved before 2019-2020
    I've been under the impression Phase III is one single phase rather than 'A' and 'B' as far as I'm aware, Histogen themselves decided to do a two-step Phase II trial with 'A' and 'B'

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  • Scientalk56
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    Histogen Next Phase

    Every Phase will take at least 1 year.
    let's assume that it takes half year between two phases:

    Phase 2b - June 2013 - June 2014
    phase 3 - January 2015 - January 2016 -
    ( I assume that there's no need for phase 3a/b but just one phase III)

    It means Histogen wont be released before 2016.. and wont be FDA approved before 2017-2018)

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  • hellouser
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    Yeah but if it is 2 years away than it will practically be useless because aderans is supposed to be released than and histogen will be close to release than as well...if they want to make money they will have it on the market in a year or less.
    I'll use all available products if on the market. I wouldn't limit myself to just Aderans to be honest.

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by rdawg
    You can technically get BIM right now off-label(but it would cost you an upwards of 10-12 bucks a week or so for 0.03%) and for some that have done it it has worked better than min, it's just way too expensive. The one being tested is also at a higher concentration so it could be better.

    I have no idea when they're releasing results, the phase II trials have been done for a few months, but no word yet.

    If it passed Phase II it should go straight to phase III this year, so yea it could be a year or two away not terrible.
    Yeah but if it is 2 years away than it will practically be useless because aderans is supposed to be released than and histogen will be close to release than as well...if they want to make money they will have it on the market in a year or less.

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  • rdawg
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    Originally posted by Scientalk56
    what really concerns is that histogen didn't say anything about starting the next phase ( III )...
    Phase II just ended 2 months ago, I believe they just got the final data so it hasnt really been that long.

    Takes time to set up phase IIb or Phase III but they are 100% going to try another phase to move forward.

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by Scientalk56
    what really concerns is that histogen didn't say anything about starting the next phase ( III )...
    They have another phase II trial first.. and they haven't said anything about anything yet, so why be concerned? We don't know anything either way yet, they could have had great results or really poor results..we will know in a month.

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  • Scientalk56
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    what really concerns is that histogen didn't say anything about starting the next phase ( III )...

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  • rdawg
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    Originally posted by FearTheLoss
    When is BIM releasing results? I thought they were planning on releasing a product in 2014?
    You can technically get BIM right now off-label(but it would cost you an upwards of 10-12 bucks a week or so for 0.03%) and for some that have done it it has worked better than min, it's just way too expensive. The one being tested is also at a higher concentration so it could be better.

    I have no idea when they're releasing results, the phase II trials have been done for a few months, but no word yet.

    If it passed Phase II it should go straight to phase III this year, so yea it could be a year or two away not terrible.

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  • FearTheLoss
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    Originally posted by rdawg
    Sameways, the next best thing to the actual release of a working product is actual results that say a product in testing works!

    My mind can be alot more at ease if they come out with at least solid results, which I am somewhat expecting based on the last ones. But we'll just have to wait and see!

    It only takes one working product, many will fail in the process, and anything that works better than Fin or Min is more than welcome in my eyes.

    BIM also excites me and I think will excite others when they release their results.
    When is BIM releasing results? I thought they were planning on releasing a product in 2014?

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