REDPILL: If you're not on some type of antiandrogen...

[Dan26]

I agree that when it starts it gets extremely harder however I still do not think drugs will prevent you from losing or buy you a long time. In my experience, I started fin very early, I was NW1 with no signs of miniaturazation. I was just worried because I did not have a lot of hair, by that I mean dense hair. I was just a NW1 guy with full coverage with no symptoms of hair loss. My mother thought I was crazy, she believed I was never going to lose hair just because I was a look-a-like to her father, who died at 83 with a NW1. It was 2006. First years were great, I never had a shed. My friends kept telling me drop fin, you don't even have hair loss. However in 2010 I noticed I had lost some volume, it did not bother me because I had such a nice NW1 hair line and was able to wear my hair any style I wanted. Then it was 2012 when things got out of control, I still remember the feeling. Process was started, my scalp became itchy, I kept losing hair. Funny thing, I was already on fin when this happened. Later that year I even switched to Avodart, used it for 14 months, it changed nothing, now I am NW2 and going into a NW3. I remember the first time I took Fin, I said to myself I could maintain maybe up to 40 or 50, I considered myself very wise to start treating my mpb before it happened. So according to your logic, I shouldn't have fell behind baseline but unfortunately I did.
Looking at the studies, we see that many people are above baseline even after years. But those are more likely to be older individuals who already had mbp, possibly NW3 and more. It is easy to maintain a NW3. I don't think anyone can maintain a NW1 more than 5-6 years (without transplants or castration) no matter how early they start treatment as long as they are destined to have mpb. It is just impossible.

Id be interested to hear more persons experiances like yours. How old were you when you started? You are right, most of the people in MPB trials for any treatment are nw3+ atleast, and the front of the scalp is way harder to maintain and/or regrow.

However, you hear stories of people going from nw3-2 just on an AA and minox, so it isn't out of the question.

Id say its important to use a topical AA on the hairline for extra insurance whilst on fin/dut....Worst case, you start fin/dut early in hairloss, most of you hair stays good, hairlien recedes, you get an HT.

[25 going on 65]

Have you ever suffered from gyno? Then you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/13/my-surgery-my-before-and-after-pictures/

This is me, I had to walk around with those bitch tits for only 6 months (Yes, I like to solve my problems fast), and they were the darkest months of my life, you can't imagine the psychological trauma it caused me. And I was already a NW5 at the time.

As a person who has experienced both, I can safely say that hair loss is nothing compared to having man boobs.

I admit your gyno was pretty unaesthetic but compared to hair loss it was not bad. It is not like everyone looked at you in public saying "that guy has gyno"....but hair loss everyone can see from a mile away
Also 1 cheap surgery & you are done. @ NW5 you will need at least 2 megasessions (expensive surgeries) to be anywhere close to restored. This is assuming you have enough donor which many people do not, & of course no amount of surgery will restore a fully dense NW1.

If I could trade hair loss for gyno it would be a blessing for me

[locke999]

Yeah man, lets compare something thats barely noticeable nor does anyone give a shit about to something thats right on your effing FACE and the only socially accepted physical aspect to humiliate someone over.

You're a moron.

Hypocrite. Just because you don't have gyno you downplay it as if its no big problem. Yet you complain every single day wahh wahh wahh about how noone cares about people who are balding. People who have gyno are made fun of all the time, whether its to their face or behind their back. The fact that many men go under the knife to have it removed shows just how seriously debilitating it is to people who have it.

You are selfish and rude and you need to learn how to walk in other people's shoes.

[fred970]

I think you have to experience it to understand. How embarrassed it makes you feel, how less than a man. Spending all the summer of 2012 in a double sweater was not fun either. No one could see it, but the psychological trauma prevented me from doing... everything I guess, imagine taking your shirt of with a girl, it would be like she discovered you wore a wig.

Little rant about cosmetic surgery: my operation was not cheap, it was completely free here in Belgium, I didn't have to spend a dime. Why this double-standard? 4000 grafts in two FUE sessions would cost me 10000€ here. I thought about writing a letter to my insurance company exposing this but I guess they would laugh at my face.

[Hicks]

I admit your gyno was pretty unaesthetic but compared to hair loss it was not bad. It is not like everyone looked at you in public saying "that guy has gyno"....but hair loss everyone can see from a mile away
Also 1 cheap surgery & you are done. @ NW5 you will need at least 2 megasessions (expensive surgeries) to be anywhere close to restored. This is assuming you have enough donor which many people do not, & of course no amount of surgery will restore a fully dense NW1.

If I could trade hair loss for gyno it would be a blessing for me

Wrong. I had Gyno and hairloss is way better.

[fred970]

Thank you Hicks.

[Jcm800]

Having gyno can't be a nice experience. Hairloss sucks ass, but having teeny girls tits can't be fun at all.

[Jcm800]

And that sounded belittling. I don't mean it to.

Gynaecomastia is a side that scares the life of me personally.

[hellouser]

Wrong. I had Gyno and hairloss is way better.

You mean there's a solution for hair loss too?

[Hicks]

And that sounded belittling. I don't mean it to.

Gynaecomastia is a side that scares the life of me personally.

No worries man, lets just hope I (none of us for that matter) don't get heart disease that runs in the family.

[Hicks]

You mean there's a solution for hair loss too?

Big 3 has been working very good for me. HT should finish the job. Although I wish I caught this disease sooner it's better late than never.

[Jcm800]

Great, but sadly you got Fin induced gynaecomastia correct?

[fred970]

He will tell you that there's no viable solution available today, even if this is not true.

He acts like a spoiled child: "I want a cure, now! And without side-effects, now!"

[youngin]

Are you kidding? Gyno better than hair loss? LOL

I would way rather be a NW6 with a ripped body, than a NW0 with little girly boobs. That would be much more embarrassing!

[Hicks]

Great, but sadly you got Fin induced gynaecomastia correct?

Not sure who you are asking. Me, I've notice the gyno at 17/18 had surgery at 20/21 I can't remember. Got on fin at 33, so far know sign of gyno.