REDPILL: If you're not on some type of antiandrogen...

[Notcoolanymore]

No risk = no win. This is a man's game & the stakes are sky high.

Instant classic.

[Notcoolanymore]

Fred,

Was finasteride the cause of your gyno? If it was the cause, I totally understand you not wanting to take fin. Not trying to offend you, but I expected the pics to be much worse. With that being said I totally get why you would get them removed. I would do the same.

[kobefan234]

Fred , did you get your estradiol checked when you were on fin? It seems in guys who are sensitive and tend to easily aromatize testosterone to estrogen easy the gyno will be easier to get. Also some guys glands are bigger than others. I hope your surgeon took your glands out.

[Jcm800]

I may be wrong , but I thought I read that Freds gyno wasn't connected to Fin use? Elaborate please Fred?

[Notcoolanymore]

I may be wrong , but I thought I read that Freds gyno wasn't connected to Fin use? Elaborate please Fred?

Now that you mention it, I think you are right.

[fred970]

It was drug-induced, just not by finasteride. I would probably have gotten gyno if I got on it.

[konfusion]

.I really think once the switch flips and DHT starts attacking you, it becomes increasingly harder to save your hair. I'd bet if you hopped on fin even a bit before you were destined to start going bald, you may never lose it or at least buy a lot of time. Once DHT hits though it's a cascade affect and many other things come into play.

I agree that when it starts it gets extremely harder however I still do not think drugs will prevent you from losing or buy you a long time. In my experience, I started fin very early, I was NW1 with no signs of miniaturazation. I was just worried because I did not have a lot of hair, by that I mean dense hair. I was just a NW1 guy with full coverage with no symptoms of hair loss. My mother thought I was crazy, she believed I was never going to lose hair just because I was a look-a-like to her father, who died at 83 with a NW1. It was 2006. First years were great, I never had a shed. My friends kept telling me drop fin, you don't even have hair loss. However in 2010 I noticed I had lost some volume, it did not bother me because I had such a nice NW1 hair line and was able to wear my hair any style I wanted. Then it was 2012 when things got out of control, I still remember the feeling. Process was started, my scalp became itchy, I kept losing hair. Funny thing, I was already on fin when this happened. Later that year I even switched to Avodart, used it for 14 months, it changed nothing, now I am NW2 and going into a NW3. I remember the first time I took Fin, I said to myself I could maintain maybe up to 40 or 50, I considered myself very wise to start treating my mpb before it happened. So according to your logic, I shouldn't have fell behind baseline but unfortunately I did.
Looking at the studies, we see that many people are above baseline even after years. But those are more likely to be older individuals who already had mbp, possibly NW3 and more. It is easy to maintain a NW3. I don't think anyone can maintain a NW1 more than 5-6 years (without transplants or castration) no matter how early they start treatment as long as they are destined to have mpb. It is just impossible.

[hellouser]

You realise downplaying my obvious gyno that was removed through painful gland excision and liposuction makes you a total hypocrite.

This is followed by this:

It seems suffering from hair loss (if we can call that hair loss, you're barely a NW2,5) hasn't taught you anything. But don't worry, your growing forehead will humble you.

LOL, does anyone take you seriously on these forums?

[fred970]

I did it on purpose of course, I thought you would notice that. How does it feel to be told that?

You act like your hair loss is the end of the world, then when someone speaks about another physical flaw, you make fun of it: "Bahaha, that's nothing, man up!"

Constantly attacking invisible evil scientists who supposedly don't care about male pattern baldness is also a weird thing to witness.

Back to the topic: saying I want to be bald because I don't take a DHT inhibitor is ridiculous. Especially when you know I suffered from gynecomastia in the past.

It's a choice, I'd rather be healthy sexually (and in other areas like mental health) and be bald than the contrary.

[Atum]

I gotta agree here, i would never take fin.

I'm losing my hair, but keeping my manliness is more important. To take the risk of becoming impotent, getting man boobs, brain fog,... in the hope that my hair maintains the way it is, is a risk to far for myself.

CB-03-01 on the other hand i would take.

[hellouser]

I did it on purpose of course, I thought you would notice that. How does it feel to be told that?

You act like your hair loss is the end of the world, then when someone speaks about another physical flaw, you make fun of it: "Bahaha, that's nothing, man up!"

Constantly attacking invisible evil scientists who supposedly don't care about male pattern baldness is also a weird thing to witness.

Back to the topic: saying I want to be bald because I don't take a DHT inhibitor is ridiculous. Especially when you know I suffered from gynecomastia in the past.

It's a choice, I'd rather be healthy sexually (and in other areas like mental health) and be bald than the contrary.

Yeah man, lets compare something thats barely noticeable nor does anyone give a shit about to something thats right on your effing FACE and the only socially accepted physical aspect to humiliate someone over.

You're a moron.

[Jcm800]

Wrong post.

[Jcm800]

I gotta agree here, i would never take fin.

I'm losing my hair, but keeping my manliness is more important. To take the risk of becoming impotent, getting man boobs, brain fog,... in the hope that my hair maintains the way it is, is a risk to far for myself.

CB-03-01 on the other hand i would take.

Fair enough and I agree. But i wonder if your opinion on this would change the nearer to NW7 you get? What are you now btw?

[hellouser]

Fair enough and I agree. But i wonder if your opinion on this would change the nearer to NW7 you get? What are you now btw?

Would probably change LESS the closer you are to NW7. At NW1-3 at least you have the slightest chance of doing something... 99% of the times its slowing down/halting.... but once you're at NW6-7 its pretty much useless to do anything. To me, at NW6 with todays shite treatments... you may as well throw in the towel.

[Jcm800]

Yep fair comment. Dare I ask if you ever tried Fin yourself?