REDPILL: If you're not on some type of antiandrogen...

[UK_]

<NW2 = winning

Also turning into a woman is not worse than turning into a bald guy. So your point seems moot there

5% chance of sides vs. a 100% chance of baldness. Choose wisely.

The chance of sides is closer to 40%... try using some up to date data and not the bullshit Merck spewed out back in 1983.

And your comment about being permanently impotent as being a better scenario than having thin hair is laughable... seriously, print off your post and read it back to yourself (aloud preferably) the day your doctor can recommend no other treatment than a penile implant to treat your permanent impotence.

[greatjob!]

The chance of sides is closer to 40%... try using some up to date data and not the bullshit Merck spewed out back in 1983.

And your comment about being permanently impotent as being a better scenario than having thin hair is laughable... seriously, print off your post and read it back to yourself (aloud preferably) the day your doctor can recommend no other treatment than a penile implant to treat your permanent impotence.

Where did you get the 40% figure?

[TwoInchCircle]

The chance of sides is closer to 40%... try using some up to date data and not the bullshit Merck spewed out back in 1983.

And your comment about being permanently impotent as being a better scenario than having thin hair is laughable... seriously, print off your post and read it back to yourself (aloud preferably) the day your doctor can recommend no other treatment than a penile implant to treat your permanent impotence.

I gotta agree with the 40% figure. I have two friends on FIN and they're both suffering serious mood swings, depression, weight gain and gyno. Even my doctor advised me against taking FIN. He said that about half his patients came back to him reporting side effects. He pretty much said, "I'll give you a prescription if you want it, but I want to say something first." And then he went into why he advised against taking it.

I already knew I had no intention of ever taking FIN orally and was only there to confirm the thinning in my crown was MPB and not an infection. Unfortunately, he said I had a healthy scalp. Worst news of my life.

Anyway, call it anecdotal, but its enough to scare me off for good.

[Notcoolanymore]

40% eh? I would love to read the credible study that proves this to be true.

I take this fin battle with you guys too personally. I am going to stop, at least for now. It all comes down to personal choice. I choose to take it and shouldn't have to hear that my dick is going to fall off. The people who choose not to take it shouldn't have to hear that they need to enjoy going bald.

Too many people come here and lose sight of what this forum is for. It should be for support and sharing of information. Too many people come here just for the sake of arguing and making people feel worse than they already do. If someone chooses to take fin, someone has to mention that it is only a matter of time before they get ED. If someone wants to get a hair piece, someone has to throw the jab that they wouldn't want to be "that guy that wears a rug". If someone NW4+ gets a hair transplant, there has to be that guy that says it worthless because "you cant style your hair a certain way".

I think the best way to deal with these types is to simply give them the attention that they deserve, which for the most part means to ignore them.

[25 going on 65]

The chance of sides is closer to 40&#37;... try using some up to date data and not the bullshit Merck spewed out back in 1983.

And your comment about being permanently impotent as being a better scenario than having thin hair is laughable... seriously, print off your post and read it back to yourself (aloud preferably) the day your doctor can recommend no other treatment than a penile implant to treat your permanent impotence.

1. 40% chance of sides sounds unrealistic but would still be worth it if true.
2. I did not say it was a better scenario. Just no worse.
3. I do not believe in permanent impotence from fin/dut. Even if I did I would still take both every day.

There are no 2nd chances in this biz once your loss hits a certain point. You can spend a lifetime waiting for a new cure or you can make the most of today. That is the lesson to take from the OP

[25 going on 65]

Well played

40% eh? I would love to read the credible study that proves this to be true.

I take this fin battle with you guys too personally. I am going to stop, at least for now. It all comes down to personal choice. I choose to take it and shouldn't have to hear that my dick is going to fall off. The people who choose not to take it shouldn't have to hear that they need to enjoy going bald.

Too many people come here and lose sight of what this forum is for. It should be for support and sharing of information. Too many people come here just for the sake of arguing and making people feel worse than they already do. If someone chooses to take fin, someone has to mention that it is only a matter of time before they get ED. If someone wants to get a hair piece, someone has to throw the jab that they wouldn't want to be "that guy that wears a rug". If someone NW4+ gets a hair transplant, there has to be that guy that says it worthless because "you cant style your hair a certain way".

I think the best way to deal with these types is to simply give them the attention that they deserve, which for the most part means to ignore them.

I just noticed how much extra credibility all of your posts get from your avatar
Especially this:

My nomination for post of the year.

[Notcoolanymore]

There are no 2nd chances in this biz once your loss hits a certain point. You can spend a lifetime waiting for a new cure or you can make the most of today. That is the lesson to take from the OP

This is very true. Unfortunately for me, there is hair that I will never get back because I waited too long to pull the trigger to start treating. I hate that I made this mistake and don't want guys to make the same one.

[TwoInchCircle]

40% eh? I would love to read the credible study that proves this to be true.

I take this fin battle with you guys too personally. I am going to stop, at least for now. It all comes down to personal choice. I choose to take it and shouldn't have to hear that my dick is going to fall off. The people who choose not to take it shouldn't have to hear that they need to enjoy going bald.

Too many people come here and lose sight of what this forum is for. It should be for support and sharing of information. Too many people come here just for the sake of arguing and making people feel worse than they already do. If someone chooses to take fin, someone has to mention that it is only a matter of time before they get ED. If someone wants to get a hair piece, someone has to throw the jab that they wouldn't want to be "that guy that wears a rug". If someone NW4+ gets a hair transplant, there has to be that guy that says it worthless because "you cant style your hair a certain way".

I think the best way to deal with these types is to simply give them the attention that they deserve, which for the most part means to ignore them.

If you take 'battles' regarding a prescription drug personally then you need to take a breather from the Colosseum, bro. It's not worth getting stressed over.

[Notcoolanymore]

If you take 'battles' regarding a prescription drug personally then you need to take a breather from the Colosseum, bro. It's not worth getting stressed over.

I do need to take a breather. Hair loss is a stressful business though. Much of that stress can be avoided with accurate information. I speak from experience. I was that young guy losing his hair. Accurate information could have made a big difference in the condition of my hair. The new guys need the correct information, to make the right choices.

[UK_]

1. 40% chance of sides sounds unrealistic but would still be worth it if true.
2. I did not say it was a better scenario. Just no worse.
3. I do not believe in permanent impotence from fin/dut. Even if I did I would still take both every day.

There are no 2nd chances in this biz once your loss hits a certain point. You can spend a lifetime waiting for a new cure or you can make the most of today. That is the lesson to take from the OP

Its not just impotence... who on Gods earth wants to walk around like a brain-fogged zombie with bitch tits for the rest of their life?

People who take finasteride end up with a list of side effects one way or the other, you might not get hit by them in your first couple of years, but you'll be jumping off 4 - 5 years down the line when you cant get it up with wifey.

Id rather shave my head & be fully functioning sexually/mentally physically - but I couldnt care less, you can chomp those pills until you go blue in the face for all I care.

[Notcoolanymore]

Approved treatment options definitely need to get better. When I defend the use of fin, I am not saying it is a flawless treatment because it is not. If there was another option available that was considered safe, I would take it in a heart beat, but there is no such treatment. I would rather not take any prescription drug. I take fin because I am at the point where if I don't then I need to accept going bald which I do not want to do. Credit to the guys that will shave before taking fin, but for me I will use it until something better comes along.

[25 going on 65]

Its not just impotence... who on Gods earth wants to walk around like a brain-fogged zombie with bitch tits for the rest of their life?

Nobody wants that but you have to take risks & be willing to make trades. Unless your brain fog stops you from functioning enough to make money or have sex then it is worth the extra hair

Gyno is nothing compared to hair loss unless it is insane gyno from hell. It does not mess w/ socially the most important body part (face) plus it is much less readily visible in daily life. It just does not do as much aesthetic damage....take 2 lean guys, 1 w/ gyno and NW1, the other w/ no gyno & NW7. If everything else is equal the guy with gyno is more attractive to women on average
Surgery is also much more effective for treating gyno than hair loss. Cheaper too

People who take finasteride end up with a list of side effects one way or the other, you might not get hit by them in your first couple of years, but you'll be jumping off 4 - 5 years down the line when you cant get it up with wifey.

Id rather shave my head & be fully functioning sexually/mentally physically - but I couldnt care less, you can chomp those pills until you go blue in the face for all I care.

Thank-you. September will be 4 years on fin, over 1.5 on dut. Hopefully will be on RU or spiro by then too. I will let everyone know how it goes.

No risk = no win. This is a man's game & the stakes are sky high.

[fred970]

Gyno is nothing compared to hair loss unless it is insane gyno from hell. It does not mess w/ socially the most important body part (face) plus it is much less readily visible in daily life. It just does not do as much aesthetic damage....take 2 lean guys, 1 w/ gyno and NW1, the other w/ no gyno & NW7. If everything else is equal the guy with gyno is more attractive to women on average

Have you ever suffered from gyno? Then you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/13/my-surgery-my-before-and-after-pictures/

This is me, I had to walk around with those bitch tits for only 6 months (Yes, I like to solve my problems fast), and they were the darkest months of my life, you can't imagine the psychological trauma it caused me. And I was already a NW5 at the time.

As a person who has experienced both, I can safely say that hair loss is nothing compared to having man boobs.

[hellouser]

Have you ever suffered from gyno? Then you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/13/my-surgery-my-before-and-after-pictures/

This is me, I had to walk around with those bitch tits for only 6 months (Yes, I like to solve my problems fast), and there were the darkest months of my life, you can't imagine the psychological trauma it caused me. And I was already a NW5 at the time.

As a person who has experienced both, I can safely say that hair loss is nothing compared to having man boobs.

LMAO, my manboobs are bigger than what your pictures show... what you had was barely noticeable. I dont care about the gyno, pretty much every guy has a bit of flab there, its fine.

[fred970]

You realise downplaying my obvious gyno that was removed through painful gland excision and liposuction makes you a total hypocrite.

It seems suffering from hair loss (if we can call that hair loss, you're barely a NW2,5) hasn't taught you anything. But don't worry, your growing forehead will humble you.