Dutasteride

[PatientlyWaiting]

Bro if you are genuinely convinced that you are growing hair, and if other people are noticing it then thats great and I'm glad for you.

You shouldn't have to post pics here and convince people, because some people will try to put you down

The only reason I post here is to try to help others. I already know what to use and what not to use, i've been a member of hair loss forums since 2009. I'm not an expert or a doctor, but I know what to use and what to stay away from. So I just stick around to help. But I will probably move on eventually. I can not see myself staying here for years reading the cutting edge section. That would drive me crazy.

And no, I don't think they want to put me or anyone down. It's just that some people want to be skeptic, some want to expose something and be a hero.

[Shan]

The only reason I post here is to try to help others. I already know what to use and what not to use, i've been a member of hair loss forums since 2009. I'm not an expert or a doctor, but I know what to use and what to stay away from. So I just stick around to help. But I will probably move on eventually. I can not see myself staying here for years reading the cutting edge section. That would drive me crazy.

And no, I don't think they want to put me or anyone down. It's just that some people want to be skeptic, some want to expose something and be a hero.

well i hope you know i wasn't trying to be "that" guy
Peace bro

[ChrisM]

As I said good luck to you earlier I meant it. I don't believe you( I have my own reasons for retaining skepticism.. it is healthy and natural to be skeptical of this at the beginning if you believe anything you will fall for everything) but then it isn't your job up to try to convince me one way or the other pictures or not. What matters is what you believe in terms of the outcome.

[PatientlyWaiting]

@Shan I understand, I see the light bulb you are talking about that "makes it look worse". But there is no way I can replicate that light bulb shine in any of my after pictures now. It's impossible because that part of the scalp is no longer that hairless. So every one who sees that before pic with any new picture will all think the lack of the reflecting light is part of the "improvement".

[25 going on 65]

Also using both at the same time is pretty stupid. I have my happy and healthy kids already so I am not jeopardizing my ability to procreate by bringing a about a side effect like erectile dysfunction or low ejaculate and sperm count. Even so I started off with Finasteride to see if the side effects would take shape which in the beginning they did happen and then stopped altogether and my erections came back strong as ever. You wean yourself off of one drug Finasteride before using the other Dutasteride that is just plain common sense because the mixture of both could set off god knows what in your system.

I take them both. Same as PatientlyWaiting, .5mg dut and 1.25mg fin.

I would never want to be irresponsible and promote this experimental regimen to others. However let me just say....if you want to be cool+popular+successful+have a great sex life, you 100% must use fin and dut together.
I'm especially talking to all you kids out there, all you guys who have not finished developing yet. Dut+fin is the coolest. If you are not doing it, your peers probably don't respect you.

Edit: It makes me feel like Superman.

[ChrisM]

I take them both. Same as PatientlyWaiting, .5mg dut and 1.25mg fin.

I would never want to be irresponsible and promote this experimental regimen to others. However let me just say....if you want to be cool+popular+successful+have a great sex life, you 100% must use fin and dut together.
I'm especially talking to all you kids out there, all you guys who have not finished developing yet. Dut+fin is the coolest. If you are not doing it, your peers probably don't respect you.

Edit: It makes me feel like Superman.

Uh huh. Well it might be that for you and Patiently Waiting. Everyone's biochemistry is not the same all things being equal based on age, genetics and other variables. Someone is going to try that combo and come back screaming at the both of you for taking your advice for using and Fin and Dut and the combination turning off their nuts and giving them wet limp linguini dick. And that their respective girlfriends dumped them for not being into pasta that night or any night after that. And when those guys come look for you. I am just going to smile and stand aside and let you and Patiently Waiting take the heat pasta man.

[PatientlyWaiting]

Uh huh. Well it might be that for you and Patiently Waiting. Everyone's biochemistry is not the same all things being equal based on age, genetics and other variables. Someone is going to try that combo and come back screaming at the both of you for taking your advice for using and Fin and Dut and the combination turning off their nuts and giving them wet limp linguini dick. And that their respective girlfriends dumped them for not being into pasta that night or any night after that. And when those guys come look for you. I am just going to smile and stand aside and let you and Patiently Waiting take the heat pasta man.

I think it's safe to say his post when over your head.

[ChrisM]

I think it's safe to say his post when over your head.

That would be went over you head.


And no I answered his condescending sarcasm appropriately. The same pharmaceutical combination that works for you and a lucky few might not work for others therefore while ok to encourage others based on results the same might not work for them and if it causes them injury though accountability falls on them.. you encouraged it without being a doctor or having the degree of a chemist or knowing valuable key factors about their biology that resulted in erectile dysfunction etcetera.


What works for you is great and that is awesome but it might not work for the next guy. Usually people use Dutasteride or Finasteride and not both at the same time. They wean themselves off of one drug and start the other letting it cycle out of their system.

That would be doing the majority here a disservice to say its ok guys just try this and f-ck the consequences. That's not cool man.

Because the consequences if they do fall on those guys it will be on their heads and not yours. So while I am happy for your results I am not as appreciative of the overall message you are sending that everyone should do this method or approach. Your experiences led you there cool and it happened to produce a good result that was noteworthy still it is worth mentioned to those noobs out there reading this that you are blending two drugs one FDA approved and the other not both which cause a host of sexual side effects alone by themselves let alone being used at the same time.

And it reminds me of the extreme guys on the hairlosshelp.com site where guys are using dutasteride, finasteride, topical spiro, Nizoral, Minoxidil, biotin and saw palmetto along with RU all at the same time and say f-ck it and then they are a) surprised at the side effects b) develop gyno, man boobs and have leaking nipples c) basic accuse the other posters in those threads of causing their chemical castration by following such a regimen or d) develop erectile dysfunction for the next 4-5 years before getting an erection back.

[PatientlyWaiting]

That would be went over you head.


And no I answered his condescending sarcasm appropriately. The same pharmaceutical combination that works for you and a lucky few might not work for others therefore while ok to encourage others based on results the same might not work for them and if it causes them injury though accountability falls on them.. you encouraged it without being a doctor or having the degree of a chemist or knowing valuable key factors about their biology that resulted in erectile dysfunction etcetera.


What works for you is great and that is awesome but it might not work for the next guy. Usually people use Dutasteride or Finasteride and not both at the same time. They wean themselves off of one drug and start the other letting it cycle out of their system.

That would be doing the majority here a disservice to say its ok guys just try this and f-ck the consequences. That's not cool man.

Because the consequences if they do fall on those guys it will be on their heads and not yours. So while I am happy for your results I am not as appreciative of the overall message you are sending that everyone should do this method or approach. Your experiences led you there cool and it happened to produce a good result that was noteworthy still it is worth mentioned to those noobs out there reading this that you are blending two drugs one FDA approved and the other not both which cause a host of sexual side effects alone by themselves let alone being used at the same time.

And it reminds me of the extreme guys on the hairlosshelp.com site where guys are using dutasteride, finasteride, topical spiro, Nizoral, Minoxidil, biotin and saw palmetto along with RU all at the same time and say f-ck it and then they are a) surprised at the side effects b) develop gyno, man boobs and have leaking nipples c) basic accuse the other posters in those threads of causing their chemical castration by following such a regimen or d) develop erectile dysfunction for the next 4-5 years before getting an erection back.

I feel bad for anyone who would take my suggestion and blame me if something goes wrong. It is pretty obvious when you are on a forum that 95% of the members there are not professionals, so you have to take advice at your own risk.

If a member tells me to take Durtasteride 0.5mg a day, and I do it and get all kinds of negative side effects, I can not blame that person because I know he/she is not a doctor. Nobody here is an 8 year old being offered candy from a stranger. We're all trying to help each other according to what worked for us. Doctors are labeled here, and if they are not labeled doctors or consultants then it's your duty as a poster to look out for yourself and pick and choose what advice you want to take.

If I go ahead and buy "TRX2" or "Neogenic by Loreal" and none of them work and I spend a lot of money on these products over a course of a year, I can not blame those guys who hyped it up for me wasting money, I have to blame myself.

I think you should show your peers more respect in their knowledge, nobody here is a 6 year old kid who can not think for themselves. Every one should know to check the dangers of certain FDA approved drugs, and should know they are taking a risk no matter who suggests it to them, whether it's a doctor or John Doe. This is a hair loss forum, people sign up to seek help from hair loss sufferers all around the world. You need to stop acting as if i'm purposely suggesting some to poison and kill themselves. We are all only trying to help each other and find a solution to our hair loss.

[ChrisM]

You are making a huge assumption there. I never said you were deliberately trying to poison people here. What I said was that the advice you were doling out was misguided and might send people down the wrong path and do more harm than good. That's all. Just as you are entitled to your opinion and are free to express it within the hair loss forum as we are adults here as you have said. Then within that same context I am free to disagree with you and hold my own opinion and state the reasons why I disagree with your statements. People here on the forum can then judge for themselves based on the posts and doing their own research and homework and follow their own conclusions.

[WarLord]

I don't see any reason, why the combination of fin and dut should be "poisonous". I only think that it is unnecessary. I have been on this combination for 11 weeks already, because it turned out that finasteride did NOTHING in me (well, except incessant shedding). In fact, it was an utter joke, as for the suppression of my DHT levels.

After those 11 weeks, my DHT levels FINALLY started to decline on the level that is typical for average finasteride users (from 25-32 ng/dl to 17 ng/dl). And it took 1.25 mg fin + 0.25 mg dut! The next week, I will jump on 0.375 mg dut + 1.25 mg fin, which would roughly equal to the effect of 0.5 mg dut. In the next months, I plan to quit finasteride completely, but I still have 20 pills (=80 days), so it would be unreasonable to throw it into a scrap basket.

On my example, you can see that finasteride is completely ineffective in some men. The reason obviously lies in the large standard deviation of DHT suppression, as this graph demonstrates:



The average is more or less the same in all studies (-70% DHT), but some guys can experience -90% suppression, while others less than -50%. On sufficiently high dutasteride doses, these differences quickly disappear. Therefore, I keep telling young people: Don't waste your time with finasteride. It was a breakthrough at its time, but now it is an outdated drug. There is no rational reason, why you should start finasteride as the first treatment.

BTW, the only side effects that I have noticed on dutasteride are increased libido and acne on my back.

[25 going on 65]

After those 11 weeks, my DHT levels FINALLY started to decline on the level that is typical for average finasteride users (from 25-32 ng/dl to 17 ng/dl). And it took 1.25 mg fin + 0.25 mg dut! The next week, I will jump on 0.375 mg dut + 1.25 mg fin, which would roughly equal to the effect of 0.5 mg dut.

What form does your dut come in that lets you measure out exact doses? I buy Avodart and it comes in sealed gel capsules.

[25 going on 65]

Uh huh. Well it might be that for you and Patiently Waiting. Everyone's biochemistry is not the same all things being equal based on age, genetics and other variables. Someone is going to try that combo and come back screaming at the both of you for taking your advice for using and Fin and Dut and the combination turning off their nuts and giving them wet limp linguini dick. And that their respective girlfriends dumped them for not being into pasta that night or any night after that. And when those guys come look for you. I am just going to smile and stand aside and let you and Patiently Waiting take the heat pasta man.

I was just joking when I made that post, I actually have no idea what dut+fin might do to me in the long term. I just take them both because 1) I was too paranoid to quit fin when I started dut, & 2) I can not think of a documented side effect that is worse to me than hair loss

[Aames]

If you respond to both fin and duta, fin in the presence of duta is pretty much useless. I, and the others that do it, only take them both for extra insurance. Consequently, taking them both is no more dangerous than taking duta.

[WarLord]

What form does your dut come in that lets you measure out exact doses? I buy Avodart and it comes in sealed gel capsules.

I also use Avodart capsules. But I dose it flexibly.

1 pill every other day = 0.25 mg/day

2 pills every 3 days = 0.33 mg/day

3 pills every 4 days = 0.375 mg/day etc.