HST / Gho cost - beware!!

[clarence]

I'm not sure I'm following you, Clarence. Your point is that a lower donor density might adversely impact the Histogen or Aderans procedure ?

No that's not my point. After all, the Histogen or Aderans or whatever have (to my knowledge) solely been trialed for the front, top and the crown, ie. where there are minituarized follicles present. I'm just saying, they won't restore the density in your donor, where hairs have been removed with FUT/FUE techniques, if the effect of these treatments is on existing (although minituarized) follicles.... as there are no existing follicles left, as you sure know, beneath those tiny FUE dots.... or (to my knowledge) beneath the HST gaps.

But then again, I don't know what I would need Histogen for, if we could get the job done with "donor to donor"... say, even if we wanted to restore the donor of someone like "JamesBald".

[Arashi]

Of course, but those procedures are neither supposed to restore your donor density or depletion. Even if you chose HST instead of FUE/FUT.

But maybe HST can do that - restore some or all of the density in your donor, following depletion??

I'm not sure I'm following you, Clarence. Your point is that a lower donor density might adversely impact the Histogen or Aderans procedure ?

If that would be true, then the solution would just be to get a maximum amount of HST's done, also from donor to the donor area, as to maximize the amount of hair on your scalp before doing Histogen or Aderans.

[clarence]

I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.

Of course, but those procedures are neither supposed to restore your donor density or depletion. Even if you chose HST instead of FUE/FUT.

But maybe HST can do that - restore some or all of the density in your donor, following depletion??

[Arashi]

Yes I will reach the 9 months on the 31 May and Deborah confirmed me that after 9 months it should still grow (communication about the final result in recipient is not very clear but I guess a year is good).
My strategy is to leave at least a year... I want donor and recipient to have the maximum chances of recovering from one to another procedure...

Hmm.. I always thought that after 9 months the donor was completely ready for a new procedure. If 12 months would yield a better result, I'll go for that but I don't think that's true. I'll ask Kristel about it, it's a good thing to know for sure.

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

I don't see how that could happen ? I'm thinking about getting 1-2 more Gho procedures done, which should buy me at least 5 years time and buy then hopefully something like Histogen or Aderans is available. I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.

[clarence]

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

Penalise? Hmm.. What's there to stop us from instead just
1. keep adding density with further procedures? What are the phenomena (beyond money) which limits us from achieving, through added procedures, the same density we had as a kid?
2. restoring density, if any is lost where hairs fail to regenerate, in the donor area, with more HST procedures? Ok, I realize this would be very time consuming with extensive balding patterns, but let's realize, there are hairs/follicles to use in both in the donor area, including those which have regenerated, and in the recipient area, if resistant follicles have been implanted there.

No need to answer, if you don't know the answers. I, for one, don't.

[cocacola]

I was thinking the same caddarik,
What if hst will interfere on a possible future treatment. The problem is that we all expected some sort of update on histogen/aderans/replicel sometimes before this summer. However, nothing new.

Now, ur thinking of working on crown or front. I think that front is more important than crown for visuals. Depending on ur situation, front should be a priority fix.

[caddarik79]

I think you're at 8 months now right ? What is your plan ? I'm at 6 months now and today I've emailed Kristel regarding my next procedure. I'm planning to lower my hairline with another 1/2 - 1 cm and thicken up the whole top area of my scalp with the rest of the (hopefully 1600) grafts. I'm planning to have it done in August, just when I'm at 9 months.

However there's also my crown area which starts to become thinner as well... So I'm not sure yet what I'll do, might just thicken that up a bit as well. Or wait another 9 months and then do the whole crown area at once ...

Yes I will reach the 9 months on the 31 May and Deborah confirmed me that after 9 months it should still grow (communication about the final result in recipient is not very clear but I guess a year is good).
My strategy is to leave at least a year... I want donor and recipient to have the maximum chances of recovering from one to another procedure...
I had 1800, I might go higher or same...
In my case, I was thinking of splitting, maybe another 1000 in my front and HL and the 800 or more in the crown to start make it stronger...

I'm wondering if it's will not penalise us for other potential new treatment, that's why I'm not in rush...
On the other hand, I want to recover my full head...

[Arashi]

I have the same kind of plan...I am currently monitoring my 1 HST results, comparing... I keep in touch with Deborah, keep in touch with this forum for new stuffs, I am not blinded by Gho, he is just the best option for now...

I think you're at 8 months now right ? What is your plan ? I'm at 6 months now and today I've emailed Kristel regarding my next procedure. I'm planning to lower my hairline with another 1/2 - 1 cm and thicken up the whole top area of my scalp with the rest of the (hopefully 1600) grafts. I'm planning to have it done in August, just when I'm at 9 months.

However there's also my crown area which starts to become thinner as well... So I'm not sure yet what I'll do, might just thicken that up a bit as well. Or wait another 9 months and then do the whole crown area at once ...

[garethbale]

Did Gerard Joling and Wesley Sneijder openly admit having HST done? If not, then they might just have traditional HT.

Their stories are on the Hasci website. They had HST done

[Cookie]

Did Gerard Joling and Wesley Sneijder openly admit having HST done? If not, then they might just have traditional HT.

[caddarik79]

Yes I'm sure about regeneration as well...
and if you have money with not so much limits, I'm sure you can really achieve something good...

The back to NW1 will probably come in the next 5 years...assuming that even HST has a marge of improvement and that Gho is a perfectionnist and will not wait that other doctors develop donor regeneration without going himself further to stay and keep on staying the number 1 innovative and safest and most efficient hair loss cure....

and IF, meanwhile there are some competitiors and other treatments, it's all benefits...
But like IM said, and I used to repeat the same before on this forum and hairs*te forum... if your hair loss is central, obsessing you, then start the fight, be smart, don't deplete your donor, make a good strategical decision, restore the front first, stop spending money on every other sh*tty treatments, because all the rest is BS.

if tomorrow, other talented docs are proposing real documentedHST, we will be free to try and see who is the best...

and we can monitor Gerard Joling and Sneider evolutions as well...I doubt Gho would go so public and so "show business" if not sure of his technique, but that's just my opinion.

The biggest issue is the money...this is the biggest STOP...
there should be a slight improvement on prices, not crazy but a good 20% or 25% cheaper would be good...

But again as one said, I prefer to drive a VW Golf and enjoy and go back to my previous appearence (because, it's not even like we are going cosmetic surgery to look like another ideal person, we just want what we use to have, back!!!)...so I would prefer a full head, my full head and have a rubbish car then a BMW and be worried at every date or any windy day, or whatever spotlight shitty situation... I mean, it's always there, and it sucks your attention...you are less in the present with that annoying dysfunctionning scalp situation, LOL

[Phatalis]

And although we don't have 100% proof regeneration occurs... this is still the best procedure by far for the anti-scarring alone.

Regeneration is just a super BONER plus side to it if its true.. and supposedly it is.

[Phatalis]

Right - such a "plan" counts especially for the kids (lol) ...

I mean, seriously: Most young guys start to struggle with their temple areas - right?

At the same time or a few years later, mostly the whole front area starts to "break away".

So why not starting early enough to restore with HST step-by-step at least the front area? The front area is the most problematic zone for most guys and to restore at least the front area step-by-step, while always KEEPING OPTIONS (donor regrowth) - that doesn't cost you an arm an a leg.

Just a few such examples:

The guy TOBBAN at the Swedish forum:

http://www.lookgood.se/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4544&p=11

He is now at the 6 month mark, and his first problem (temple areas) is already solved with just 1 procedure. And if you compare his "now" photos with photos from 3 years ago (the point in his life when he started losing his hair in the temple areas) - nobody (not even he himself) will ever know (anymore) that he had a hair loss problem. And even if he is losing more hair in future (whole front area etc) - simply doing another procedure while always KEEPING OPTIONS in his donor area, just in case.

Yeah, and the guy NeedHairASAP, for example, is such a similar case ...

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=12519

Anyway, they all have still OPTIONS IN FUTURE (contrary to normal hair transplants and IF you will be a NW5 to NW7 guy one day) and in case if hair loss is progressing ...

So instead of wasting time and waiting for any "miracles" or rubbing every day any BS onto your head and especially into the temple/front area - simply replacing "bad stuff" in your front area with healthy "good stuff" (healthy hair follicles) - that's the (affordable) KEY while still keeping OPTIONS or even if you "think" there will be a much better "miracle" one day on the market.

Restoring the front area NOW is the key for most guys. Everything beyond is just frustrating and a waste of time ...

BOOM! This is my take on it and the smartest so far.

you speak in extremes. both of us know it's a lost cause to use Gho past NW5, that he will be outmoded before you could be restored to NW1. if he speeds up the time between procedures and increases the number of grafts we'll talk. until then, you're still getting hair at a snail's pace, spending a ton of money, and keeping your hair buzzed most of the year, and by the time you catch up some other guy will simply combine something like histogen with something like RU or BNP and buy a Mercedes.

That's to say you care about having a mercedes. I can afford one but I don't give a **** about having a mercedes. I'd rather drive a taurus and look good with hair than have a mercedes and holes in my head. **** a mercedes.

Crystal clear...

I'm sorry guyzz but this is the reality.
For sure it "sucks" because expensive and you have to repeat but as IM said, you keep options and you can restore your frame while observing what's happening in your vertex.

I have the same kind of plan...I am currently monitoring my 1 HST results, comparing... I keep in touch with Deborah, keep in touch with this forum for new stuffs, I am not blinded by Gho, he is just the best option for now...punt aan de lijn.

and if you have money, why would you keep hating wind, rain, pictures, etc...because of a shitty hairline falling apart?

We are lucky compared to dudes who were 20 or 25 in the early 80's or 90's...
As we once said here with Arashi, and I'm sure IM sees it the same way, we can "bridge it"...

If you have a Ed Harris situation and Gho can slowly bring you back to a Jude Law situation, it's still cool...
If you are NW6 and you can restore a forelock, a top of head dense enough and yet have options with donor, you should just be happy of this reversal...
If it takes 5 years for a NW7 to reach a NW3 dense, it's already a good improvement, and in 5 years we are in 2018, it will probably be even better.

But why would you waste your twenties and thirties by just waiting and debating about stuffs that are always 5 years away when you can start to fix it and not be devoted to Gho forever but using his technique until for real, something better shows off???

It sucks but not THAT bad. I mean look at options a few years back.
NO REGENERATION AND HOLES IN YOUR HEAD

Sure this is slow... sure it's costly..but its as close to a "cure" as we have right now. and **** it if you're early enough you might be able to fake a full head for many years.. with the right $$$

[clarence]

So instead of wasting time and waiting for any "miracles" or rubbing every day any BS onto your head and especially into the temple/front area - simply replacing "bad stuff" in your front area with healthy "good stuff" (healthy hair follicles) - that's the (affordable) KEY while still keeping OPTIONS or even if you "think" there will be a much better "miracle" one day on the market.

Restoring the front area NOW is the key for most guys. Everything beyond is just frustrating and a waste of time ...

Sure, there is IM and Arashi and Tobban and gc, but then, there's also roger_that, maxhair, Kiwi and, dare I say it, Winston (unless he has revised his opinion) and guys like Umar. I don't, for the most part, know how to assess the credibility of these people, but I do know.... I'll almost certainly like to wait around for another few years to see what's happening (not excluding Gho's camp), concentrating on my own stuff, rather than invest time to become a hair expert or even attempt trying to put the pieces together from the thousands of posts. A few years - that's what it'd take anyway, plus the effort, if I decided to take the HASCI road and "find out for myself if it works" - maybe starting first with a very small procedure, and documenting it for my own use. Waste of time? Perhaps not, but frustrating, hm....

[garethbale]

Crystal clear...

I'm sorry guyzz but this is the reality.
For sure it "sucks" because expensive and you have to repeat but as IM said, you keep options and you can restore your frame while observing what's happening in your vertex.

I have the same kind of plan...I am currently monitoring my 1 HST results, comparing... I keep in touch with Deborah, keep in touch with this forum for new stuffs, I am not blinded by Gho, he is just the best option for now...punt aan de lijn.

and if you have money, why would you keep hating wind, rain, pictures, etc...because of a shitty hairline falling apart?

We are lucky compared to dudes who were 20 or 25 in the early 80's or 90's...
As we once said here with Arashi, and I'm sure IM sees it the same way, we can "bridge it"...

If you have a Ed Harris situation and Gho can slowly bring you back to a Jude Law situation, it's still cool...
If you are NW6 and you can restore a forelock, a top of head dense enough and yet have options with donor, you should just be happy of this reversal...
If it takes 5 years for a NW7 to reach a NW3 dense, it's already a good improvement, and in 5 years we are in 2018, it will probably be even better.

But why would you waste your twenties and thirties by just waiting and debating about stuffs that are always 5 years away when you can start to fix it and not be devoted to Gho forever but using his technique until for real, something better shows off???

I agree with you to an extent that we want to do something while we still have youth, but HTs are always a risk. The only difference with a Gho HT is that there is the option of shaving if hair loss progresses (which, admittedly, is a major benefit). Of course, I don't like the waiting around in the hope that new treatments will come (who does!), but I just find HTs a risk. They are expensive as hell on top of that.

Even that Swedish Guy Tobban, in one of his posts acknowledges that his hairline will look weird when his native hair is lost, and is hoping for a solution to the hair loss problem. To quote him (slightly lost in translation as I used google translate;
''then we'll see how long it will be before the hair loss progresses so that the hairline looks odd. Then it will be said that shaving again so I hope there has been no revolutionary solution for us with hair loss. Please God!?''

HTs are NOT a long term fix IMO, particularly for guys in early stages of hair loss and for those who will progress to a NW7, UNLESS you are able to stop the loss at some point using medication.