I'm young and I'm going to treat my hair with HST and RU for now...I'll get HST's as my loss progresses (if it does, as RU has stopped loss as of now) until some better medication comes out or Gho or someone else brings hair multiplication to the market...and if HM doesn't come, all the pipeline treatments fail (highly unlikely) and RU stops working, then I'll get 7-8 HST's done and have a full head of hair.. that's assuming that I reach a NW6..which would be the worst in my family. (dad has a nw2 at 60, 5 uncles with NW3 or better all 50+ years old, 1 uncle is a NW6)
I won't ever touch finasteride again in oral form, HST's are better and don't kill your ****.
HST / Gho cost - beware!!
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What about a young guy who still isn't obviously balding to the untrained eye but has diffuse balding, has not, as of yet, been able to stabilize the loss (Fin side effects) and is headed, eventually (from pictures of dad), to NW 6-7 territory. (My dad started losing around 20-21, was bald by 26, so it's aggressive)Right - such a "plan" counts especially for the kids (lol) ...
I mean, seriously: Most young guys start to struggle with their temple areas - right?
At the same time or a few years later, mostly the whole front area starts to "break away".
So why not starting early enough to restore with HST step-by-step at least the front area? The front area is the most problematic zone for most guys and to restore at least the front area step-by-step, while always KEEPING OPTIONS (donor regrowth) - that doesn't cost you an arm an a leg.
Just a few such examples:
The guy TOBBAN at the Swedish forum:
He is now at the 6 month mark, and his first problem (temple areas) is already solved with just 1 procedure. And if you compare his "now" photos with photos from 3 years ago (the point in his life when he started losing his hair in the temple areas) - nobody (not even he himself) will ever know (anymore) that he had a hair loss problem. And even if he is losing more hair in future (whole front area etc) - simply doing another procedure while always KEEPING OPTIONS in his donor area, just in case.
Yeah, and the guy NeedHairASAP, for example, is such a similar case ...
Anyway, they all have still OPTIONS IN FUTURE (contrary to normal hair transplants and IF you will be a NW5 to NW7 guy one day) and in case if hair loss is progressing ...
So instead of wasting time and waiting for any "miracles" or rubbing every day any BS onto your head and especially into the temple/front area - simply replacing "bad stuff" in your front area with healthy "good stuff" (healthy hair follicles) - that's the (affordable) KEY while still keeping OPTIONS or even if you "think" there will be a much better "miracle" one day on the market.
Restoring the front area NOW is the key for most guys. Everything beyond is just frustrating and a waste of time ...
I'm fine with not having hair one day, I'll have to shave but that's fine when I'm a little older, but if my goal is to enjoy hair at least for a little longer, would you say Gho's HST is a viable option or not if I have the money. I guess I'm asking what would you do if you were in this situation, anyone can feel free to answer, but you put out a specific plan for young guys that is good, but I'm not sure it applies to a diffuse case.Leave a comment:
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i think u guys should post picture updates so we can give recommendations
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I think our hair situations are pretty similar. What I'm currently planning to do with my 2nd HST (and currently I'm thinking to have it done at 11 months after my 1st HST, which will be october this year) is:
1) Lower hairline with 1 cm. With 30 grafts/cm2 this will take roughly 400 grafts
2) Use 600 grafts to densify crown area
3) Use 600 grafts to densify the thinnest parts on top.
I'm pretty sure that after this I'll be fine for at least 3 years. And then, if needed, I'll get another time 1600 grafts to do the 'repair work', which should buy me another 3 years. And 6 years from now I'm hoping we'll have new options.Leave a comment:
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Can you post an update photo, Caddarick ?sure and thank you for the statistics... 20% more makes sense, it will be good ;-)
And me if I do it end of October, I'm 14 months away from first, so very safe... I kept B vitamins and biotin in my habits, good regrowth...
then you leave another year to enjoy your 2 HST and hope it will even improve by 2015...
What would you do? start to share grafts with the crown of just put two HST in front and then care for the rest?Leave a comment:
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I was just researching, this is a table with regrowth percentages per month, for FUE, but I guess it pretty much applies to HST as well:
At 6 months (where I'm now) I should expect 40% more hair, which, if this would happen, would make me a very happy camper
At 9 months (where you're at) you should expect 20% more to come.
At 12 months you're pretty much at the end result, only 2% more to come in the next year.
So yeah, it does make sense to wait 1 year, so you're pretty much at the end result, and then decide what area's you want to dense up. But then again, looking at that table, the 11 month milestone seems pretty interesting as well. Only 5% more to come. I'm going to think about it but I think I'll go again at either 11 or 12 months.
sure and thank you for the statistics... 20% more makes sense, it will be good ;-)
And me if I do it end of October, I'm 14 months away from first, so very safe... I kept B vitamins and biotin in my habits, good regrowth...
then you leave another year to enjoy your 2 HST and hope it will even improve by 2015...
What would you do? start to share grafts with the crown of just put two HST in front and then care for the rest?Leave a comment:
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I was just researching, this is a table with regrowth percentages per month, for FUE, but I guess it pretty much applies to HST as well:
At 6 months (where I'm now) I should expect 40% more hair, which, if this would happen, would make me a very happy camper
At 9 months (where you're at) you should expect 20% more to come.
At 12 months you're pretty much at the end result, only 2% more to come in the next year.
So yeah, it does make sense to wait 1 year, so you're pretty much at the end result, and then decide what area's you want to dense up. But then again, looking at that table, the 11 month milestone seems pretty interesting as well. Only 5% more to come. I'm going to think about it but I think I'll go again at either 11 or 12 months.Leave a comment:
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I might do the second one either end of October or just before Christmas!!!
And yess, I'm like you, can't wait to enjoy a full head of hair...I mean, life is NOW!!!right???
+ imagine, after our third HST, we might just do some small refill, whenever we feel like... from 1000 grafts to 1700 grafts, up to your mood and finance and hairloss...
still a very much hope, prices will go a bit down and competition, real competition will arise...
But Gho, my only option for now...and good shampoos and vitamins and happy life with travels and projects...because even if I monitor everyday, I know how important and even strategic it is, to do other stuffs, go with the flow, experience many things...meanwhile...
and on shitty hair days, I just wear a beanie or a cap and looks great... but I dream of just having a full big bush of black curly hair on my head ;-)...it won't stop me from enjoying hats etc...but, what a relief.Leave a comment:
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OK, I would say, I kept a fair part of grafts on the first month, then it got weaker and I was even a bit grumpy on the second and third month...at 4 post op, a friend of mine who knows, told me "wtf, it's coming man!!!"... and gradually more and more...
Now I am almost 9 months, when I take a pic of my scalp, if I compare to the 4 months, it is for sure stronger, blacker, a bit more dense...
But still, I wish I will see some more at twelve...cause sometimes I see myself in a lift with a spotlight 30 cm from my scalp...and I'm like, f*ck!!! so expensive and I'm not a Tom Cruise density!!! those dudes with natural full very dense head of hair don't know how lucky they are!!!
But I'm sure, a second one droping another 1000 there + 800 a bit in the crowd, will bring me satisfaction...or, I do another 1800 on the front...and 3rd HST will be totally dedicated to the crown...Leave a comment:
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By the way, caddarick, I was just wondering, did you notice any difference in the regrowth speed in the last few months ? For me, regrowth became visible to the naked eye at about 3 months, and in the last 3 months (so month 3 to 6) a LOT regrowth happened. I was just wondering, can I expect that same amount of new hairs to appear in the next 3 months ? Or in other words, did you notice that major regrowth part happened in months 3 to 6 or does it just keep on regrowing new hairs as fast in months 6-9 as in months 3-6 ? Cause if I should expect as many new hairs in the next 3 months as in the past 3 months, man then I'm going to be a VERY happy camper
On the other hand, if almost new hairs would appear in the next 3 months I'd be dissatisfied with the end result since it's just not dense enough right now. I'm getting there but just not yet.
So I'm just wondering what to expect in months 6-9.Leave a comment:
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Yeah I guess that makes sense. I already contacted Kristel, she said that August was already amost fully booked anyway. So maybe I'll just delay it to november, which is going to be my 1 year mark.I was actually more talking about the recipient, I want the recipient to reach its best result and then go back... I'm just afraid that 9 months is too early for recipient and digging new holes when there are still some new hairs from first procedure to come out, I 'm not sure it's the best... + it gives really the best time for everything to regenerate/recover...
Yeah I totally agree on the technological advancements part. And also, in the coming months we're (hopefully) going to learn a lot more about the exact effectiveness of the Gho procedure, via the 50 grafts test. But on the other hand, man I just want to enjoy a full, dense scalp NOWBUT, it's insane money... that's why, I'm not willing to rush to muc because who knows, maybe i two or three years, there will be much bigger sessions possible for a reasonnable price or new technique or Gho will launch his own HM that he is working on...
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Hmm.. I always thought that after 9 months the donor was completely ready for a new procedure. If 12 months would yield a better result, I'll go for that but I don't think that's true. I'll ask Kristel about it, it's a good thing to know for sure.
I don't see how that could happen ? I'm thinking about getting 1-2 more Gho procedures done, which should buy me at least 5 years time and buy then hopefully something like Histogen or Aderans is available. I doubt that any FUE/FUT or HST would negatively impact those procedures. I just don't see how that could happen.
I was actually more talking about the recipient, I want the recipient to reach its best result and then go back... I'm just afraid that 9 months is too early for recipient and digging new holes when there are still some new hairs from first procedure to come out, I 'm not sure it's the best... + it gives really the best time for everything to regenerate/recover...
Yes me too, I had 1800 (and I'm sure I could reach 1900 or 2000 but if they give me another 1800 it's fine).
I'm just thinking about the potential improvement of the whole thing and wondering if the best solution would not be to temporaise the most possible.
On the other hand, knowing that following your reasonning it would be 1800 + 1800 + 1700 + 1600 + 1500 + 1400 + 1300 + 1200 + 1100 + 1000 etc etc there is a cool thing in this >>> the biggest money, you give at the beginning, to bring you to an acceptable hair situation...and then, because of the smaller sessions, it gets cheaper and it's all about making it more and more dense...so you can do it at your rythm...
BUT, it's insane money... that's why, I'm not willing to rush to muc because who knows, maybe i two or three years, there will be much bigger sessions possible for a reasonnable price or new technique or Gho will launch his own HM that he is working on...Leave a comment:
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