The Ironman Procedure

[JJJJrS]

OK guys, here are some photos I've analysed of Iron_Man's strip scar area:

Strip Area Day 3 - Marked

Strip - Area Day 3 - Original


I haven't counted the points yet but does this look like a person who has had more than 1.5k grafts extracted?

Anyone is free to analyse the area for themselves. By the way, this is a huge section of donor too. We can add a picture of his right ear are and do the same. It will be absolutely clear that he didn't have much more than 1.4k drills.

And for those trying to take pictures, note how easy it is to spot the extraction points in IM's pictures and count the individual hairs.

[JJJJrS]

I'm going to sleep soon but here are a couple of other good pictures to count like I did:

Right Ear View Day 2 - Original

Upper Strip Scar View Day 2 - Original

Test Day 2 - Original


These pictures are amazing. How could anyone complain about them!? You just have to add a left side and it's almost perfect.

Anyway, count for yourself and tell me there's more than 1.4k drills here. Some of the pictures overlap btw.

[c5000]

Hey guys

I've just had a quick scan and it seems gaz has been estimating the number of extractions I've had. Thanks very much mate, I really appreciate this and I REALLY hope you're RIGHT and I'm WRONG, I don't mind admitting if I'm wrong, but I was telling it exactly as it happened with my procedure.

Today is my last day at work, so I'll try and see if I can collect photos of my entire extracted donor and do a count myself.

I'm off work for a few weeks so I'll have a few weeks to dedicate to photos etc.


But I need to stress again, EVERY case is DIFFERENT, so Gaz may well go there in 3 weeks and get very FEW failed extractions, as he has straight hair.

Someone with curly hair could then go there and have problems...

The main thing is that we try to get everyone to document the number of drills made to the number of successful grafts taken.

Thanks a lot again for your hard work Gaz, if your count is right, I'll be REALLY REALLY happy!

Also in the interests of fairness and truth etc, I will go back tonight and edit any posts that were perhaps too strong. I still maintain that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I only had 80 failed extractions, as I was counting.

Also I may have been misunderstood when it came to ratios, I felt there were probably around 3000 extractions made, so this would be a ratio of 2 holes made for 1 successfull extraction... that's what I meant by 2:1

I don't think there were 5000 holes made, but I do feel that there could have been closer to 3000.

Again, I'm not looking to crucify anyone, I just want the facts, and I was just being as honest as possible. lets hope I'm wrong though!

[JJJJrS]

Also in the interests of fairness and truth etc, I will go back tonight and edit any posts that were perhaps too strong. I still maintain that it is HIGHLY unlikely that I only had 80 failed extractions, as I was counting.

Also I may have been misunderstood when it came to ratios, I felt there were probably around 3000 extractions made, so this would be a ratio of 2 holes made for 1 successfull extraction... that's what I meant by 2:1

I don't think there were 5000 holes made, but I do feel that there could have been closer to 3000.

Again, I'm not looking to crucify anyone, I just want the facts, and I was just being as honest as possible. lets hope I'm wrong though!

Don't worry about it. GC and I don't mistrust your story. I've heard a number of patients say the same thing as you. I've personally never had the procedure so this is all a learning experience for me.

The main point I'm trying to make is that an analysis of IM's pictures will be very, very useful and answer a lot of questions about HST.

I've spent months and months on these forums, with the main purpose of getting pictures so I can analyze the HST procedure. I was very excited to see this finally happen, only for all this ridiculous drama to happen. So I've trying my best to get things back to normal if that's at all possible

[c5000]

Don't worry about it. GC and I don't mistrust your story. I've heard a number of patients say the same thing as you. I've personally never had the procedure so this is all a learning experience for me.

The main point I'm trying to make is that an analysis of IM's pictures will be very, very useful and answer a lot of questions about HST.

I've spent months and months on these forums, with the main purpose of getting pictures so I can analyze the HST procedure. I was very excited to see this finally happen, only for all this ridiculous drama to happen. So I've trying my best to get things back to normal if that's at all possible

Cheers mate

Hopefully when I shave my donor area down we can evaluate that too, even if it is approximate.

[JJJJrS]

OK guys, here are some photos I've analysed of Iron_Man's strip scar area:

Strip Area Day 3 - Marked

Strip - Area Day 3 - Original


I haven't counted the points yet but does this look like a person who has had more than 1.5k grafts extracted?

Anyone is free to analyse the area for themselves. By the way, this is a huge section of donor too. We can add a picture of his right ear are and do the same. It will be absolutely clear that he didn't have much more than 1.4k drills.

And for those trying to take pictures, note how easy it is to spot the extraction points in IM's pictures and count the individual hairs.

I've updated the analyzed picture:

Strip Area Day 3 - Marked *Updated

Roughly 300 dills/extractions were taken from that large area surrounding the scar. I may count hairs at the right side tomorrow but I think it's becoming clear that IM did not have more than 1.5k drills/extractions. So basically there should be no issue when analyzing his donor because it's perfectly apparent he hardly had any failed extractions.

[c5000]

IronMan, I've always tried to be civil to you as I respect what you've done in terms of research for HST, but for you to call me an idiot just because I have told EXACTLY what happened during my procedure just sums up your aggressive nature. I've never once insulted you, despite some of you strange posts on here, I just want everyone to have a better understanding of HST.

For those who counted, I appreciate your efforts and I'm sure they were glad to do it as it has helped them to get a better understanding of the failed extraction thing. I still believe there were more than 80 failed extractions.

Also your leaving this forum lasted less than 24 hours as expected, I guess you just couldn't deal with the lack of attention for a full day.

Again, I respect your knowledge in this field, but you really need to be more open minded about things... it seems like you are either 100% for something or 100% against it...

All I've ever done on this forum is be honest, I am very much for HST and plan on going back again, I just want the facts to be out there, I refuse to saying something is perfect if it's not, HST is great in my opinion but it's not perfect. You however seem to think (or at least you seem to say) that it is flawless and has NO drawbacks...

[Arashi]

You just can't stay away can you lol

LOL, told you so. This is his LIFE, of course he'd be back.

Anyway, got a response email !! In summary, Kristel mailed me:

1) ALL failed extractions will grow back
2) The 80% regrowth is ONLY regrading transplanted grafts

So this is really great news. Now we'd just need to verify it

[Arashi]

IronMan, I've always tried to be civil to you as

Yep, you can read back the thread, I REALLY tried to be civil to him too, but he'll still keep insulting ANYONE who disagrees with him. So just pay him back with his own coins, it's a lot of fun actually

[gc83uk]

LOL, told you so. This is his LIFE, of course he'd be back.

Anyway, got a response email !! In summary, Kristel mailed me:

1) ALL failed extractions will grow back
2) The 80% regrowth is ONLY regrading transplanted grafts

So this is really great news. Now we'd just need to verify it

Ah that's great news and as expected. I've not heard back from Deborah, but I suspect she will confirm the same.

More importantly did she answer you on whether you had 4000 odd holes in your head?

[Arashi]

Ah that's great news and as expected. I've not heard back from Deborah, but I suspect she will confirm the same.

More importantly did she answer you on whether you had 4000 odd holes in your head?

Nope she said nothing about that.

[Arashi]

But it's very comforting that at least they state (again) that all failed extractions will grow back AND, even more importantly, that 80% is REAL regrowth. I was really happy to hear that ... I do have quite a bit of faith in them, but of course, would still like to see it verified.

[didi]

'Also I may have been misunderstood when it came to ratios, I felt there were probably around 3000 extractions made, so this would be a ratio of 2 holes made for 1 successfull extraction... that's what I meant by 2:1'

3000 extractions/drills is 1:1 ratio, assuming you had 1500 grafts

for every successful one you have 1 which is unsuccessful

[gc83uk]

Correct, I think thats the best way to notate it. At least we're all on the same wavelength.

Problem is, I then googled if you can have 1:0 ratio, got myself confused after that lol
Meaning 1 success: 0 fails 100% success basically.

[Jairus]

How are we going about analyzing the donor regeneration?

How do we identify failed extractions as opposed to actual regrowth?

If this can be proven pictorially, it would be massive.