The Ironman Procedure

[Arashi]

Here's the link to my thread: http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=31602 Click on the pictures. Sure they're not high res and shot with a phone, but if you can't see the regrowth, sorry, but you'll need to get your eyes checked mate.

[JJJJrS]

Look JJJJrS, I understand you want to see IM's photo's for whatever reason (it's beyond me, but ok). But do understand that it is HIS decision not to come back (although I'm absolutely sure he WILL come back), not mine. If he wants to act like a little girl, that's up to him, not me.

I'm not defending his behaviour. It's pretty clear he's pissed off a tremendous number of people online over the years and that's understandable.

But it seems that you're trying to discourage him from posting his pictures. Obviously you have problems with him and I think you're trying to ruin his thread for whatever reasons.

There's no problems offering reasonable suggestions. I've asked him to mark points on his donor which he did. I was actually very pleasantly surprised how open he was about his procedure and how civil the discussion was going at the beginning and then it all went to shit.

You've made your point and we'll try to address it when doing the analysis. I'm not sure if he's going to post the pictures though. I'm sure he's analyzing it for himself, and he may post the results sometime in the future, but I'm not sure if he'll continue to update us.

[Arashi]

But it seems that you're trying to discourage him from posting his pictures.

LOL. Again, it is HIS decision, not mine.

[JJJJrS]

Here's the link to my thread: http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=31602 Click on the pictures. Sure they're not high res and shot with a phone, but if you can't see the regrowth, sorry, but you'll need to get your eyes checked mate.

Sorry, but I don't see much in those pictures, glasses or no glasses.

I can't tell where the extraction points were made and without knowing the exact locations of the extractions, the pictures can't prove anything.

With gc83uk and IM's pictures, you can see exactly where the extraction points were and count each and every hair in that area.

In your case, the circles are all over the place. There is no consistency between the circles in both pictures. The hair is also too long and gets in the way of counting.

Sure, I can see what looks like some small hairs sprouting but it's not enough to be considered objective proof.

[Arashi]

Sorry, but I don't see much in those pictures, glasses or no glasses.

I can't tell where the extraction points were made and without knowing the exact locations of the extractions, the pictures can't prove anything.

With gc83uk and IM's pictures, you can see exactly where the extraction points were and count each and every hair in that area.

In your case, the circles are all over the place. There is no consistency between the circles in both pictures. The hair is also too long and gets in the way of counting.

Sure, I can see what looks like some small hairs sprouting but it's not enough to be considered objective proof.

Ok, sure if you don't consider it proof, I'm sorry for you. I really don't see how you can miss the regrowth on the pictures. Maybe you should try to watch them on a monitor and not on your phone.

[Arashi]

But, for what it's worth, I'm damn sure you DO see the regrowth and you are just trying to push IM to come back. With which I don't have any problem, but I'm telling you, this IS his LIFE, he will come back for sure. Then you can see regrowth and you will still wonder: are these just failed extractions or not ? But if that makes you happy, then it's all good.

[JJJJrS]

LOL. Again, it is HIS decision, not mine.

And I don't agree with his decision.

But if you see that it's bothering him and it's discouraging him from posting his pictures, then why don't you just temporarily ignore him, especially now that your point has been very clearly made.

Otherwise you're acting no different than the same posters you hate

[Arashi]

And I don't agree with his decision.

But if you see that it's bothering him and it's discouraging him from posting his pictures, then why don't you just temporarily ignore him, especially now that your point has been very clearly made.

Otherwise you're acting no different than the same posters you hate

Again, I really don't care if he posts his pictures or not for the reasons I've outlined, they're useless IMHO if he doesn't supply ALL the info needed. But I don't see how I'm actually discouraging him to come back. I really couldn't care less.

[Arashi]

Besides, we'll have the GC83UK case in 3 weeks with tons of pictures, including ones that IM never wants to release.

[gc83uk]

I decided to try and count the number of extractions in c5000 day 0 picture showing the left side and part of the back. I would say this accounts for approximately 1/3 of his donor area.

I counted approx 460 ish, cba recounting, but its about that I think. This doesn't prove much, but c5000 might be interested! I can post the original larger image if needed because on this version some of the hairs look like extractions. Best I could do though!

[JJJJrS]

Ok, sure if you don't consider it proof, I'm sorry for you. I really don't see how you can miss the regrowth on the pictures. Maybe you should try to watch them on a monitor and not on your phone.

But, for what it's worth, I'm damn sure you DO see the regrowth and you are just trying to push IM to come back. With which I don't have any problem, but I'm telling you, this IS his LIFE, he will come back for sure. Then you can see regrowth and you will still wonder: are these just failed extractions or not ? But if that makes you happy, then it's all good.

Honestly, it's hard for me to see regrowth because I have no idea where the extraction points were made.

If you had taken a picture of that same area:

1. Before the procedure so we can see the untouched donor area
2. Right after the procedure so we can see exactly which hairs were extracted
3. After a number of days/weeks so we can see how the hairs regenerated and in what configuration

And kept the hairs short then an analysis of the regrowth would have been easy, especially with the marks you had which would have served as a nice reference point.

Based on what you showed though, I don't see much at all. Yes, it looks like some hairs are sprouting but that's about it. Not very objective at all though.

[JJJJrS]

Again, I really don't care if he posts his pictures or not for the reasons I've outlined, they're useless IMHO if he doesn't supply ALL the info needed. But I don't see how I'm actually discouraging him to come back. I really couldn't care less.

But I do care and I think everyone else seems to care also. IM's pictures were the best pictures I've ever seen taken for any procedure. I've already said multiple times why I feel the analysis would be very useful. If others care, try to be respectful of that.

Anyway, I feel like a babysitter trying to supervise children from hell. I don't think I can repeat myself any longer so that's enough from me. IM, I hope you reconsider and post your pictures somewhere.

[Arashi]

Honestly, it's hard for me to see regrowth because I have no idea where the extraction points were made.

If you had taken a picture of that same area:

1. Before the procedure so we can see the untouched donor area
2. Right after the procedure so we can see exactly which hairs were extracted
3. After a number of days/weeks so we can see how the hairs regenerated and in what configuration

And kept the hairs short then an analysis of the regrowth would have been easy, especially with the marks you had which would have served as a nice reference point.

Based on what you showed though, I don't see much at all. Yes, it looks like some hairs are sprouting but that's about it. Not very objective at all though.

These are only 2 pictures. I can understand your points but I came to them by literally taking hundreds of pictures. I could upload them in one big rar file and you can skip through them and verify my analysis if you care, I'm sure you'll come to the conclusion that my analysis is right. I understand your points of concern, but again, if you sit down a few hours and work through all of the pictures, there's really no denying that it's regrowth. Maybe that's why I'm not interested in IM's pictures, because I *KNOW* regrowth occurs. I'm passed that. At this point I just want to know: are these just failed extractions or not ?

[Arashi]

But I do care and I think everyone else seems to care also. IM's pictures were the best pictures I've ever seen taken for any procedure. I've already said multiple times why I feel the analysis would be very useful. If others care, try to be respectful of that.

Anyway, I feel like a babysitter trying to supervise children from hell. I don't think I can repeat myself any longer so that's enough from me. IM, I hope you reconsider and post your pictures somewhere.

You've made your point, I've made my point, let's drop this discussion, we're only moving in circles indeed.

[gc83uk]

What do you make of that picture I just posted? Reckon I've missed many extractions from that image?