Debunking HASCI´s regeneration claim - an open letter.

[Arashi]

Yes I think I know which two photos you're talking about. What I did was to use the better picture as a guide, but put all circles on one picture. Probably better to spread that section out over two pictures.

Yep. It's almost weekend so I have time soon

[gc83uk]

I was also having a close look at the peer reviewed paper last night. Did you realise that one of the 5 patients had 1 in 3 failed extractions?

[Arashi]

I was also having a close look at the peer reviewed paper last night. Did you realise that one of the 5 patients had 1 in 3 failed extractions?

From my own observation during my own HST and what was confirmed by HASCI, the rate is influenced by:

1) The skill of the specific technician
2) The area on the scalp
3) The patient's hair

Patient was the same (you). We've spread out (or going to spread) out the number over your whole scalp. And the major part was done by Rolf. So if anything, the number is even too optimistic.

[gc83uk]

From my own observation during my own HST and what was confirmed by HASCI, the rate is influenced by:

1) The skill of the specific technician
2) The area on the scalp
3) The patient's hair

Patient was the same (you). We've spread out (or going to spread) out the number over your whole scalp. And the major part was done by Rolf. So if anything, the number is even too optimistic.

No forget me for a moment. Did you even realise that, honestly?

[Arashi]

No forget me for a moment. Did you even realise that, honestly?

You mean that in some patients + the best technician the ratio might be 1:3 instead of approx 1:2 ? I don't doubt that's possible. Or are you trying to say anything else ?

[gc83uk]

You mean that in some patients + the best technician the ratio might be 1:3 instead of approx 1:2 ? I don't doubt that's possible. Or are you trying to say anything else ?

No, no. I was just surprised that in the actual paper they mention failed extractions and one guy had 1 in 3 failed.

I'm not talking about what might be the best situation, more about what they have already admitted from the outset. That's all

[Arashi]

No, no. I was just surprised that in the actual paper they mention failed extractions and one guy had 1 in 3 failed.

I'm not talking about what might be the best situation, more about what they have already admitted from the outset. That's all

Ok, never really studied their papers. On the one hand I don't think they'd go as far as lying in those papers (though there are numerous examples in history where people just did that and got away with in the beginning). I rather just trust my own eyes and study an independent patient case.

[gc83uk]

Ok, never really studied their papers. On the one hand I don't think they'd go as far as lying in those papers (though there are numerous examples in history where people just did that and got away with in the beginning). I rather just trust my own eyes and study an independent patient case.

True, but you need more cases and the paper shouldn't be ignored.

I'm not the ideal patient, you know that for reasons that's not worth repeating again. I'm probably the least normal person when it comes to hairloss you'll ever know.

[Arashi]

True, but you need more cases and the paper shouldn't be ignored.

I'm not the ideal patient, you know that for reasons that's not worth repeating again. I'm probably the least normal person when it comes to hairloss you'll ever know.

For sure we'd need more cases to get a good idea. But until now, HASCI made it look like anyone would have 85% regeneration. That certainly seems to be false.

[gc83uk]

For sure we'd need more cases to get a good idea. But until now, HASCI made it look like anyone would have 85% regeneration. That certainly seems to be false.

Perhaps on just me, but you can't base any certainty just on 1 case mate.

Let's just see if they have anything to say on it and if they don't then time to move on for the non believers of multiplication. If it were advertised as scarless fue then I think nobody would have any problems with that, so until then not much more can be said.

Start praying for Nigam/Mwamba lol

[Arashi]

Perhaps on just me, but you can't base any certainty just on 1 case mate.

I'm not implying that 85% regeneration is impossible. I can't prove or disprove that. All I'm saying that in the first case we studied, yours, it turns out the number is a lot lower. Hence I think they should revise or just totally remove that claim.

[gc83uk]

I'm not implying that 85% regeneration is impossible. I can't prove or disprove that. All I'm saying that in the first case we studied, yours, it turns out the number is a lot lower. Hence I think they should revise or just totally remove that claim.

To remove that claim just on my case doesn't make any sense in my opinion. There will always be exceptions and to be honest I was never guaranteed 85% regrowth, I don't even know if it was mentioned, nor was there a contract to sign. I was just pleased somebody would operate on me.

Maybe for more challenging patients, such as those like me with scars combined with lichen planopilaris or similar then they could say there is no guarantees.

As for normal MPB cases, then more patients are needed.

Until then we can't prove Jack with any certainty.

[Arashi]

To remove that claim just on my case doesn't make any sense in my opinion. There will always be exceptions and to be honest I was never told to expect 85% regrowth, I was just pleased somebody would operate on me.

Maybe for more challenging patients, such as those like me with scars combined with lichen planopilaris or similar then they could say there is no guarantees.

As for normal MPB cases, then more patients are needed.

Until then we can prove Jack for any certainty.

HASCI never offered an independent patient case study. They did agree to do 2 50 graft tests when we asked for that, but they never released any material. All they showed us were some blurry pictures that we couldn't use for analysis. Because we really needed to get an answer, we went through all the effort of analyzing your case. It turned out regeneration is lower than 40% and possibly even 0%. And now you're saying we should just ignore your case and return to believing it actually might be 85% like they claim ?

[gc83uk]

HASCI never offered an independent patient case study. They did agree to do 2 50 graft tests but they never released any material. All they showed us were some blurry pictures that we couldn't use for analysis. Because we really needed to get an answer, we went through all the effort of analyzing your case. It turned out regeneration is lower than 40% and possibly even 0%. And now you're saying we should just ignore your case ?

If my case had worked inline with this 85% claim, then yes it would have been worth something, because if it can work on me, then it can work on anyone.

If it fails on me, then it doesn't disprove too much yet.

[Arashi]

If my case had worked inline with this 85% claim, then yes it would have been worth something, because if it can work on me, then it can work on anyone.

If it fails on me, then it doesn't disprove too much yet.

I disagree. It at least proves that 85% regeneration isn't a given for everybody. And currently it's the best prediction we have.