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Yeah I think so too mate. If you have a client, not only willing to pay 1000 EUR for 50 grafts, but who wants to go through all the trouble of documenting the progress, and you have something that works, then why the hell would you tell that client to wait ? Only reason I can think of is that they're scared.
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What?
You intend to spend just 1000 Euros to debunk the famous Dutch physician Dr. Coen Gho??
Come on, "money isn't an issue" for you - so why not 10,000 Euros??
No, you shouldn't spend 10,000 Euros for me; simply spend this money for your glory and, of course, for the poor "we" you mention so much - I mean, all the poor guys out there you worrying so much about them, respectively.Comment
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Arashi
Ask them to transplant 50 2-hair grafts from 2-hair follicles, we will need someone trustworthy to supervise this one to ensure they dont get doubles from tripletes which is exactly what hasci will try to do
I bet hasci will never wanna do it even if arashi offers them 2 000 Euros.Comment
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Really? That's what "hasci will try to do"?Arashi
Ask them to transplant 50 2-hair grafts from 2-hair follicles, we will need someone trustworthy to supervise this one to ensure they dont get doubles from tripletes which is exactly what hasci will try to do
I bet hasci will never wanna do it even if arashi offers them 2 000 Euros.
Come on...
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My goal is not 'to debunk hasci'. My goal is to seek the truth. As I calculated in gaz's results, there's still an 38% room for regrowth. If that number would be true, I'd book my next procedure asap. If regrowth doesnt happen at all (which is equally possible in my opinion), I'll hold it off as long as possible, till hopefully something better comes along.Comment
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arashi u were offering 10k for someone to go test nigam i think, you should just ask hasci to do a test procedure for the price that would be justifiable for that size of procedure. If they will not want, i think it would be a red flag.Comment
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So then why do they give most patients a limit of three HST procedures if the donor is limitless?Have you ever tried yourself to find an accurate answer for your observation?
Dr. Gho and the whole HSCI staff has the concrete answers already - at least concerning the "clinical relevance" of the HST technique ...
...or do you think they study the CLINICAL RELEVANCE of the HST technique with around 100 - 200 patients just for fun and will publish the whole outcome including each and every detail simply on hairloss forums?
If they would do the latter, practically every serious medical journal wouldn't publish their study anymore, because doing so, would interfere with the common publication politics.
All I can tell you guys, when you look at the column on the left side in the study snippet above, I guess almost every HST patient will admit, ALL mentioned objectives are fully justified - besides PARTIALLY point 3).
And especially concerning point 3), I think smart guys already know the accurate answer too - no?Comment
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Man, seriously, what part of the left column’s headline…
“The ideal hair transplantation SHOULD fulfil the following objectives:”
… don’t you understand?
All the mentioned objectives in the paper’s snippet just explain thoughts/objectives, IN GENERAL, modern hair transplants should fulfil – and not about whether or not the HST technique is completely able to fulfil these objectives – now, or in future.
You can also take all the mentioned thoughts/objectives simply as aim in general, how modern hair transplants SHOULD work IN FUTURE – if possible...
Concerning your boring “why do they give most patients a limit of three HST procedures” comments:
How many different explanations do you need …
… until you get it?
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No, that was a bet that his doubling procedure at that time, couldn't bring back a NW7 to a NW2. Still waiting for my money
If they don't want to do it for 1000 eur, then that says it all. I understand that per graft such a small session is a lot more expensive than a big session, because of the overhead, 1000 should more than make up for that.you should just ask hasci to do a test procedure for the price that would be justifiable for that size of procedure. If they will not want, i think it would be a red flag.Comment
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Sure, your assumption is also absolutely legit. That means, a remaining part of the follicle and it's visible hair shaft, can also remain (undetected) deep in the skin within extraction wounds, sure.
But all that depends on what has been the REAL intention of the extraction(s) and I already tried to explain this issue:
INTENTIONS
1) Extraction of complete and intact follicular units, but with accidental transections of 1 or more follicles within a follicular unit?
2) Intentionally splitting of strange growing follicular units ...
... (e.g in a row, rather than a very close bundle of hair shafts at the skin's surface to grasp easier all hair shaft bearing follicles all at once) ...
3) Intentionally splitting of grafts (e.g. 2-hair and/or 3-hair grafts) in such a way, so that all distal parts of the hair shaft bearing follicles can be removed/extracted (no visible hair shafts anymore within or near the small extraction wounds), but at least 1 proximal part (which includes the follicle's bulb) is left behind in the donor area, what finally in most cases (depending on the level of transection) will regenerate a hair shaft bearing follicle again within such a extraction wound.
Concerning the HST technique:
2) is practically "standard" for them, especially with patients with strange follicular unit configurations;
3) happens simply accidentally due to different patients skin textures, even in the very same patient. Up to around 70% (in worst case scenarious even worser) of such unintentional failed extractions of all extractions are, unfortunately, not really rare with the HST technique.
For example, 2-hair graft extractions:
With this, as just explained, you will end-up with mostly 1-2 hairs regenerating in the extraction wounds, mostly 1 hair (rather rare 2 hairs) in the recipient area.
Point 3) is also a part of "why, for example, Dr. Gho doesn't share the HST technique with other professionals in this field, like Dr. Cole", for instance. Because according to Dr. Gho "the HST technique isn't still there where guys like Dr. Cole would like to see it" (e.g. each and every extracted 2-hair HST graft produces again and almost for 100% 2-hairs again in the donor, as well as almost for 100% 2-hairs in the recipient.
Quote Dr. Cole:
... and this counts even more for the HST technique. FUE extractions, in comparison to HST extractions, are very easy to perform.“The main problem from follicular unit extraction remains the removal of a follicular unit from the natural follicular geometry of the donor area.”Comment
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