Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[crafter]

so whats the latest on this? this thread has gone quiet.

[gc83uk]

Look can we not just wait for Dr Mwambas feedback? All the photos in the world are still going to be questioned - I think Nigam has recognised this which is why he has asked Dr Mwamba to review his work.

I don't see any harm in doing dual tests. It doesn't actually matter too much either way. Surely you can understand that?

It's worth noting, there is a possibility that Mwamba will take a while to publish the results and it's also possible that he will be unhappy with his first batch of tests and want to repeat the test with some alterations to perfect it. This could take a year.

So why not run another test?

It's not going to kill anyone.

This ain't aimed at you 'UK', but some people need to relax and just enjoy the progress we're making and run as many tests as we can get away with.

[UK_]

Look can we not just wait for Dr Mwambas feedback? All the photos in the world are still going to be questioned - I think Nigam has recognised this which is why he has asked Dr Mwamba to review his work.

[jay woo]

If Dr Nigam has ignored previous requests and advise on photos, it is unlikely he will change now. People are most likely going to have to use the photos provided to decide if the treatment is a success or failure. It will also require the patients to complete the treatment and not disappear. I imagine the treatment will be long and painful and the though of multiple treatments would not be nice thought.

It has been a few months since Dr Nigam has posted about a new treatment method that is an improvement on the last. Is he only posting in the invite only forum now?

[Arashi]

@Hellouser: if you want, then please send Dr Nigams an email to ask if he wants to send you the photo's too. I have this feeling he's just not going to hire a professional and wants to take the photo's himself. I've suggested a few things that I think would improve his photo's, but you're much better at that, so maybe you can take a look at the photo's and suggest how he can improve them.

[Arashi]

Actually, I just sent him a new email, suggesting again to hire a professional. It's hard to tell where there's hair and where he's really bald, even by the best pictures he's shot so far.

Again, the photo's he's sent me are good enough to demonstrate that this guy is not going to get a decent coverage with traditional FUE, so from that standpoint the photo's would be good enough already: if he can get this guy to a NW1-NW2 level with 50 grafts * 2.5 hair/cm2, then he has proven his technique beyond reasonable doubt. But if you're going to make a showcase out of it to prove your technique, then just do it right and get great photo's, that show every graft on his scalp, so we get a accurate and honest idea about his current donor density for example

[Arashi]

What happened with Mr. Joshi?

We did not have to get new photos?

Thanks

Supposedly he'll start with Joshi this weekend, so that will be the last chance to get good pre-op photo's. He has already taken a few new ones, they were are lot better than the previous ones but not all of them were good enough, especially the donor photo's were a bit out of focus. It seems he's trying and he might get to a decent enough quality, but still ... I honestly don't get it why he's not getting a professional to shoot them.

On the bright side, Joshi seems to be a very interesting case, I can tell by the photo's that there's no way this guy is going to get a full head of hair with traditional FUE.

[One]

What happened with Mr. Joshi?

We did not have to get new photos?

Thanks

[cp9]

Does Dr Mwamba have a website in English? I can't read German =/ Google translate's not translating everything either.

[JJJJrS]

yea, that was the best photo/documentation I have seen.

I still think yours are even clearer but it's very good work, especially compared to some of the other doctors who just throw numbers around.

Even with those photos though, I can't confidently say exactly how many hairs are in each FU.

The only time I could do that was the microscope photo HASCI released for the second 50 graft test.

If you could fit the 50 graft area with a photo of that quality, then you completely simplify the analysis.

[gc83uk]

Looking back, I think Dr. Mousseigne did by far the best job with his documentation. All doctors should look at that case as an example of how to document donor and recipient growth.

Too bad Mousseigne and Mathieu never got back to us though. I suspect they had some difficulty getting growth in the recipient but maybe they'll surprise us in the future.

yea, that was the best photo/documentation I have seen.

[gc83uk]

A USB camera would be good, but I don't think it would be able to cover the whole 50 graft area. Ideally, you'd like to get the whole area in one shot to simplify the analysis.



Your pictures have always been great gc. I haven't examined the newer photos you took in great detail though. After all the controversy surrounding HST about 3-hair grafts in the recipient and the splitting theory, I just think it's critically important to take photos that are good enough to confidently characterize the individual FUs. Maybe, I'm exaggerating the difficulty of taking those photos though.

I hear you, I can only speak from taking my own photos and it's been a breeze (to identify the number of hairs in each FU). Ideally the test subject is a photographer. Not asking for much are we lol

[JJJJrS]

Looking back, I think Dr. Mousseigne did by far the best job with his documentation. All doctors should look at that case as an example of how to document donor and recipient growth.

Too bad Mousseigne and Mathieu never got back to us though. I suspect they had some difficulty getting growth in the recipient but maybe they'll surprise us in the future.

[JJJJrS]

I was going to suggest using one of those microscopic usb cameras, I think Iron Man tried it and it was quite impressive, don't know if you remember.

A USB camera would be good, but I don't think it would be able to cover the whole 50 graft area. Ideally, you'd like to get the whole area in one shot to simplify the analysis.

I will admit, some of the early photos I did, inlcuding HST3 were all taken with a digital camera, however since using my Samsung Galaxy mobile phone on HST4, I'm confident I can shoot good photos good enough to be able to see if it's indeed a 1/2/3 hair graft. I share your concerns on that, but whoever the subject maybe, it would be wise to test their photography skills before even going to India.

Your pictures have always been great gc. I haven't examined the newer photos you took in great detail though. After all the controversy surrounding HST about 3-hair grafts in the recipient and the splitting theory, I just think it's critically important to take photos that are good enough to confidently characterize the individual FUs. Maybe, I'm exaggerating the difficulty of taking those photos though.

[gc83uk]

A user here by the name of JDW, he seems to know his stuff when it comes to photography, he seems like a possible candidate (reading between the lines).

However if Arashi is indeed funding this initiative then it's his baby, I just hope we can make something happen sooner rather than later.