Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

[gc83uk]

But the whole point is that I dont care who pays who to go anywhere - that wont seal the deal for me - I want this treatment approved by Mwamba who is a credible surgeon - the sooner that happens the sooner I can have a procedure done.

You had a HST which was not approved by the IAHRS... how did that work out for you?

OK that's fair enough. I didn't really see your point at first, but hey I know this is a massive thing and I just want the best for everyone.

I want it approved by Mwamba too! I think most would rather go to Mwamba over Nigam, but I also know people here on the forum would rush to Nigam the second Mwamba confirms it, purely for financial reasons.

End of the day running another test with Nigam and sending someone from the forum is just another nail in the coffin.

No harm in it. Surely you can see that? If it doesn't happen then I won't lose any sleep over it. It's not a big deal.

As for HST, yes it's the best thing that I've ever done, really happy up to now, but I know the way things are going with the advancements, it's improving all the time, which is fantastic for everybody concerned.

[UK_]

Where have you been?

As you probably know I have already been for 4 HST's, just a few weeks into my most recent HST, so I'm not a suitable candidate. I'm always one for taking risks, hence my 4 x HST's upto now. So of course I'm not going!

If you have been following the other thread you will see that Arashi has said he will consider going himself as it's him putting the money/reward up, I can't remember anyone making an offer like it on here. I don't understand why you are bashing his efforts.

But the whole point is that I dont care who pays who to go anywhere - that wont seal the deal for me - I want this treatment approved by Mwamba who is a credible surgeon - the sooner that happens the sooner I can have a procedure done.

You had a HST which was not approved by the IAHRS... how did that work out for you?

[gc83uk]

So are you going?

Where have you been?

As you probably know I have already been for 4 HST's, just a few weeks into my most recent HST, so I'm not a suitable candidate. I'm always one for taking risks, hence my 4 x HST's upto now. So of course I'm not going!

If you have been following the other thread you will see that Arashi has said he will consider going himself as it's him putting the money/reward up, I can't remember anyone making an offer like it on here. I don't understand why you are bashing his efforts.

[hiilikeyourbeard]

So are you going?

I'm going. my friend is a professional photographer

[UK_]

Are you really this naive to have not read the other thread which is taking about flight costs and paying for someone from this forum to go and to effectively pay them?

Sigh

So are you going?

[gc83uk]

This is what I hear a lot of... a lot of talk and pestering yet never any action... so when are you going to take pics? Have you booked your flight? Or are you like everyone else here... just bombarding the thread with useless suggestions about taking better pictures but not ready to really do something yourself.

Are you really this naive to have not read the other thread which is taking about flight costs and paying for someone from this forum to go and to effectively pay them?

Sigh

[UK_]

I really would like to go for a procedure, I could bring my NW4 back down to a NW3 for the first one then get another a year later to take me to a NW2. However, photos posted to a forum with a HD camera is not going to make me want to go. But if Nigams technique is approved by the IAHRS and EVEN performed by Mwamba in Europe then im dumping my savings into a flight/hotel and a procedure the same day.

[didi]

Changes in Indian law will only affect hair multiplication, not doubling, Dr Mwamba is allowed to do perform de novo doubling in EU which has much tougher regulations. Nothing to worry about, Besides Dr Nigam can always move his lab to Bangladesh or some other lawless country.

There is this guy named 'Coki' on HS site who desperately wants to get in touch with Arashi, I think he wants to be our test man


Its frustrating to see things move too slow, these doctors dont seem to be in hurry.

[UK_]

How is this relevant? We're talking about doing a test at Nigams with our own photos. Nigam wouldn't need to take any photos. It would just be any other normal day for Nigam. So what's the problem?

This is what I hear a lot of... a lot of talk and pestering yet never any action... so when are you going to take pics? Have you booked your flight? Or are you like everyone else here... just bombarding the thread with useless suggestions about taking better pictures but not ready to really do something yourself.

[gc83uk]

Dr Nigam has already stated he has a time limit to develop his procedure before legal constraints collapse his work, so I hope now you understand why people "DON'T" think constantly bothering him about super-HD photos with a $50,000,000 camera and Spielberg director will help any of us in the long-run.

How is this relevant? We're talking about doing a test at Nigams with our own photos. Nigam wouldn't need to take any photos. It would just be any other normal day for Nigam. So what's the problem?

[UK_]

I agree with Arashi and others too but I am more concerned about suddenly Dr Nigam coming on here and saying sorry guys I ran out of time and Indian authorirties have closed me down... I mean if that ever did happen (touch wood it doesnt) - what would we have left? Just Histogen?

[censur]

Dr Nigam has already stated he has a time limit to develop his procedure before legal constraints collapse his work, so I hope now you understand why people "DON'T" think constantly bothering him about super-HD photos with a $50,000,000 camera and Spielberg director will help any of us in the long-run.

You do have a point, I'll give you that.

But as you know, the need for answers is somewhat desperate among many hair loss sufferers that have been waiting year after year after year for a superior treatment or cure.
Perhaps it's rational to let him focus on his work and not bother him too much.

But on the other hand I agree with Arashi and others that it would help alot to do our own 50 graft test as well.
And I really can't see how making one test like that could drain his time and energy to the extent that it actually affects his progress.

It has been too much discussion about the quality of the photos. The reason for that is that it is actually very hard for me and others to understand why he just doesn't hire a professional photographer. I mean, I'm pretty sure a photographer in India won't charge an insane amount of money for a job like this. To not shoot quality pictures in what could actually be the worlds first test that proves some kind of hair loss cure is just beyond comprehension for me and others.
If Nigam proves success he will quickly become one of the richest HT-surgeons in the world. And then he has really deserved every penny - and the photographer as well.

[UK_]

You are absolutely right.
I can't understand people who DON'T think more tests are a good idea.

Dr Nigam has already stated he has a time limit to develop his procedure before legal constraints collapse his work, so I hope now you understand why people "DON'T" think constantly bothering him about super-HD photos with a $50,000,000 camera and Spielberg director will help any of us in the long-run.

[censur]

I don't see any harm in doing dual tests. It doesn't actually matter too much either way. Surely you can understand that?

It's worth noting, there is a possibility that Mwamba will take a while to publish the results and it's also possible that he will be unhappy with his first batch of tests and want to repeat the test with some alterations to perfect it. This could take a year.

So why not run another test?

It's not going to kill anyone.

This ain't aimed at you 'UK', but some people need to relax and just enjoy the progress we're making and run as many tests as we can get away with.

You are absolutely right.
I can't understand people who DON'T think more tests are a good idea.

For alot of people out there the need for an effective treatment is truly urgent and putting all eggs in one basket and waiting for a single doc to come up with a conclusion is just unnecessary. Why take the risk of having to wait longer than required to come up with at least some preliminary answers?

[drnigams]

GC,
I did donor doubling on a forum viewer from uk yesterday.
He will back after 45 days for his HM injections.

As you all are aware, we have extracted grafts, from Mr joshi's beard for multiplication of hair stemcells and 3d culturing.
Will start his doubling procedure shortly.

I am open for any number of 50 graft patch tests, as i am doing atleast one donor doubling everyday.
But it will be taken as proof ,only if there is a third party monitoring the same, or else all the efforts will go waste.

Tom's monitoring and the monitoring of dr mwamba's staff patch test, is being done by dr mwamba and tom.

Just to let you all know,mwamba/nigam clinic at brussels for doubling should be operational by 2014 at brussels,in most probability,unless some technical obstacle comes.
Apart from, these test cases,how do we prove.
Even publishing clinical study in journals, is also not 100% proof.

Many research and study papers are being published,claiming to have partially solved various issues related to MPB cure..
still, no clinic has cliamed of even having solved (small issue like) scar or white dots of fue(except us and hst,may be partially by dr cole,may be wesley )

Another option would be, have a slick bald guy from forum,on whom we can do a patch test of 50 grafts,at a particular area of his scalp....and to motivate him,we would do free doubling on his rest of the scalp...
this approach will not interfere with the patch test area.

As on today, the best approach is denovo..as you have explained in your earlier post.

Arashi,
Jahoda mentioned partial success with his 3d culturing to grow human neo follicles,as the epithelial component was missing.

Just to remind you,we do not miss the epithelial component in our HM protocol,as we culture epithelial hair stemcells separately and 3d dp cells separately..and inject both.

The issue in 3d dp culture in spheroids which need to be overcomed is ..mass scale production and supply of oxygen,nutrients at the core of the spheroid.

Which will be taken care of shortly n coming months...with pva coated 96 well tubes, PDMS arrayed in a TCPS culture plate,
and with few other ways of co culturing epithelial and mesenchymal hair cells in layers...and/or with various scaffolds.

Also remember ,we also use freshly isolated dp cells..which are trichogenic for atleast 1week,if injected within this period..there are around 1000 dp cells per hair follicle.

Also remember the 3d spheroids to fully trichogenic ,needs SHH signalling for activation...we have partially solved this issue of 3d spherid activation by SHH.

I don't see any harm in doing dual tests. It doesn't actually matter too much either way. Surely you can understand that?

It's worth noting, there is a possibility that Mwamba will take a while to publish the results and it's also possible that he will be unhappy with his first batch of tests and want to repeat the test with some alterations to perfect it. This could take a year.

So why not run another test?

It's not going to kill anyone.

This ain't aimed at you 'UK', but some people need to relax and just enjoy the progress we're making and run as many tests as we can get away with.