Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

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  • UK_
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 2691

    Originally posted by gc83uk
    I didn't give a flying **** that Mwamba got involved. When I see some results then I might change my opinion. How's that for you?
    You just dont understand how the scientific method works, the prime issue here is gaining a scientific understanding of the process, and a scientifically sound conclusion that the process is working, that can only be achieved when the process is replicated in a different environment by a different [qualified] surgeon.

    That's the science, that's what I want. Pictures on a HD camera posted to a forum of a member who was paid for by another member who was given a free pizza for his troubles isnt scientific at all, and I dont expect it to be... because nobody on here is a scientist, we have web designers, accountants and stock brokers... but no scientists.

    Hope that clears everything up.

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    • gc83uk
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1339

      Originally posted by UK_
      You just dont understand how the scientific method works, the prime issue here is gaining a scientific understanding of the process, and a scientifically sound conclusion that the process is working, that can only be achieved when the process is replicated in a different environment by a different surgeon.

      That's the science, that's what I want.
      Frankly I don't think you know what you're talking about.

      It can only be achieved and replicated by other surgeons after it has been proved successful by at least one surgeon.

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      • gc83uk
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 1339

        Originally posted by UK_
        That's the science, that's what I want. Pictures on a HD camera posted to a forum of a member who was paid for by another member who was given a free pizza for his troubles isnt scientific at all, and I dont expect it to be... because nobody on here is a scientist, we have web designers, accountants and stock brokers... but no scientists.
        This isn't just about you though, so I guess we'll just carry on without you.

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        • UK_
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 2691

          Originally posted by gc83uk
          Frankly I don't think you know what you're talking about.

          It can only be achieved and replicated by other surgeons after it has been proved successful by at least one surgeon.
          You've clearly a flawed understanding of the scientific method, it's quite simple: for a procedure to be concluded effective scientifically it must be reproduced in a different environment by a different surgeon. That's how you reach the "proved successful" point, not by conducting an experiment yourself in your own lab and telling the world "look I've done it".

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          • gc83uk
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1339

            Originally posted by UK_
            You've clearly a flawed understanding of the scientific method, it's quite simple: for a procedure to be concluded effective scientifically it must be reproduced in a different environment by a different surgeon. That's how you reach the "proved successful" point, not by conducting an experiment yourself in your own lab and telling the world "look I've done it".
            You can't reproduce anything without first producing it.

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            • UK_
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2011
              • 2691

              Originally posted by gc83uk
              You can't reproduce anything without first producing it.
              You're being deliberately obtuse b/c you're unable to respond to my comment re the reproduction of the method in a different environment.

              It wasnt me who said that btw, it was Dr Mwamba.

              Buh bye.

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              • gc83uk
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 1339

                And of course I understand I was just trolling you because you've got a chip on your shoulder it seems.

                At the end of the day Nigam made some huge mistakes about a year ago and reduced his credibility to sub-zero.

                Most Nigam patients seem to go missing.

                Nigam still hasn't proven anything as of yet.

                Mwamba still doesn't know if anything works.

                That's where we currently are.

                You think we should just wait for Mwamba to do his tests and I think we should also run a 50 graft test with Nigam.

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                • crafter
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 239

                  Originally posted by gc83uk
                  And of course I understand I was just trolling you because you've got a chip on your shoulder it seems.

                  At the end of the day Nigam made some huge mistakes about a year ago and reduced his credibility to sub-zero.

                  Most Nigam patients seem to go missing.

                  Nigam still hasn't proven anything as of yet.

                  Mwamba still doesn't know if anything works.

                  That's where we currently are.

                  You think we should just wait for Mwamba to do his tests and I think we should also run a 50 graft test with Nigam.

                  what a depressing read, but you're probably right.

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                  • gc83uk
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 1339

                    Originally posted by crafter
                    what a depressing read, but you're probably right.
                    On a positive note, I actually believe Nigam has something. I'm just keen to want to prove it as quickly as possible one way or another. If I hadn't just had HST I would have already had done this 50 graft test.

                    Between Mwamba and Dr Nigam we will know if it's working or not in the next few months hopefully. 'Boldy' reckons 3 months max.

                    So cheer up

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                    • UK_
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 2691

                      Originally posted by crafter
                      what a depressing read, but you're probably right.
                      Oh God here we go.

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                      • crafter
                        Senior Member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 239

                        Originally posted by UK_
                        Oh God here we go.
                        why do you say?

                        Dr Nigam is failing to provide good evidence for his work. I know you want to believe in him but in doing so you are blinding yourself from the truth.


                        Nigam has so far achieved nothing; just made claims.

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                        • crafter
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 239

                          Originally posted by gc83uk
                          On a positive note, I actually believe Nigam has something. I'm just keen to want to prove it as quickly as possible one way or another. If I hadn't just had HST I would have already had done this 50 graft test.

                          Between Mwamba and Dr Nigam we will know if it's working or not in the next few months hopefully. 'Boldy' reckons 3 months max.

                          So cheer up
                          I'm not getting my hopes. I did that when CERN claimed neutrinos were travelling faster than light, only for months later to find it was down to damaged equipment.

                          I had my hopes up last year with bimatoprost only for it to be put back by several years.

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                          • didi
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2011
                            • 1360

                            Guys


                            You just need to relax Nigam/Mwamba clinic will open in a few months time in Brussels, Nigam said so in another thread.

                            Dont see issue doing 50 grafts test with dr mwamba since its more convinient, how about we find someone on dutch forum?


                            Next week dr Wesley will show us his version of scarless fue with possible regen

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                            • crafter
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2013
                              • 239

                              Originally posted by didi
                              Guys


                              You just need to relax Nigam/Mwamba clinic will open in a few months time in Brussels, Nigam said so in another thread.

                              Dont see issue doing 50 grafts test with dr mwamba since its more convinient, how about we find someone on dutch forum?


                              Next week dr Wesley will show us his version of scarless fue with possible regen
                              Dr Nigam needs to earn our trust. He always says he'll post images tomorrow but rarely does.

                              If he was an established surgeon then i'd have more faith in him.

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                              • JJJJrS
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 638

                                Originally posted by UK_
                                Errr, I think it's going to be a big thing when the IAHRS accept doubling as a mainstream workable procedure in the industry... obviously you've just recently got into the politics of the hair transplant industry.
                                Originally posted by UK_
                                I mean really, are you telling me you werent pleased to see Mwamba involved in Dr Nigams work? Because I know exactly what you were thinking 6 months ago... "ah this doctor from India is just scamming us all".... I can see from reading posts on here that that opinion has significantly shifted since Mwamba has got involved.
                                I'm glad that Dr. Mwamba is getting involved but that's because of his skill and reputation as a HT surgeon, not because he's a member of the IAHRS or some other ABZ organization. As I said before, there's plenty of recommended doctors on these organizations that I wouldn't let near my scalp.

                                If the doubling procedures work as well as we all hope, then of course I want it to become mainstream. But again, I'm not blindly going to trust any surgeon or organization until conclusive proof is shown.

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