Dr Nigam agrees to doubling slick NW6/NW7

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  • crafter
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2013
    • 239

    Originally posted by Arashi
    Agreed about that training part. But man, I don't get it. If you would have solved hairloss and you would want to convince the world, would you shoot the photo's yourself with a $300 DSLR cam ? Like I said, even if I had the best cam in the world, I'd want the photo's to be stellar and I'd hire the best photographer in the city.

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    • Arashi
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2012
      • 3888

      And this was the last I said about that, I'm getting really tired discussing this, lol. Nigams can read here what people think. He should use his brain and make a wise decision on how to document the case. But if you want to prove that you've cured hairloss with some photo's, I'd make damn sure they were as convincing as possible.

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      • hellouser
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 4419

        Originally posted by Arashi
        I guess it's possible to take good photo's with such a cheap DSLR. But you really need to know what you're doing (like hellouser explained). Any prof photographer knows that stuff, but people without indepth photography knowledge won't. Look at the pictures he's posted for Tom for example. Would you call those good ? I'd say they were quite horrible.

        I just hope he listens to reason and gets a professional do it. I think it's stupid to even try to do this yourself. If I wanted to show the world that I'd cured hairloss, I wouldn't even consider shooting the pics myself, even if I had the best camera in the world. What's $100-$150 to hire a professional when you've cured hairloss and are about to make a fortune ?


        That 1100D is basically the Rebel T4i. Its more than capable if used properly.

        A few days ago I took some photographs (500 actually, lol) of shoes for an online store. I used a Canon T3i, one generation older than Nigams 1100D. Here's a colour corrected image (grey background was knocked out in order to isolate the image to the shoe)

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        Once the image has loaded, click on it as it will resize to fit to screen. View it in its entirety. It's been compressed from RAW to JPEG twice, once exported from Lightroom to JPEG at 100% JPEG compression and then again in Photoshop via 'Save For Web' at 60%. Don't worry, there isn't much loss. Only did this to prove a point. Image resolution is 18megapixels.

        Settings used for photo are:

        Lens used: Canon 24-105mm f/4L
        Focal Length: 70mm
        ISO 200
        1/250th Shutter Speed
        Aperture: F/13

        Studio Setup: http://i43.tinypic.com/b93f5.jpg

        ^in this photo my Canon 50D is mounted, but at f/13 a lot of dust was noticeable from my sensor, thus I had to use a Canon Rebel T3i (backup camera).

        IMPORTANT:

        If anyone read my photography guide, I pointed out that the higher the f stop value (f/13 for example is much higher than f/2.8) the more of the subject is in focus. But notice that in the image the front of the show is clearly in focus but as you look further back at the shoe, the more blurry it gets. This is called 'bokeh'. I could have used a higher aperture, for example f/16 or f/22 but image sharpness actually degrades. So basically, there will always be some degree of the subject going out of focus beyond the focus point (both before and after).

        If you guys look at Thane's photographs, they QUICKLY blur out further down his head with a view from above. Therefor, a higher f-stop is required but at the same time a LOT more light is needed. Essentially, with every full stop you need twice as much light. Full f-stop increments are as follows:

        f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16, f/22

        With each increment, in order to achieve the same exposure level, (a bright enough photograph) either the shutter speed or ISO speed needs to be compensated by 2X the amount.

        Thus a photograph taken at:

        f/4
        ISO 200
        1/160th shutter speed

        is the same as

        f/5.6
        ISO 400
        1/160th shutter speed

        and also the same as

        f/4
        ISO 200
        1/80th

        Another run down:

        f-stop controls how much light passes through the lens
        ISO controls how sensitive the sensor is to light
        shutter speed controls how LONG light passes through the lens

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        • drnigams
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 551

          Arashi,hellouser,greatjob,one...

          I will try,not to disappoint you all with photographs...
          will call professional photographer for the cases to be documented .

          This sunday i am calling the patient mr joshi..and his pics will be taken by professional photographer.

          But before i post them..i want to first mail it to arashi...
          if he is fine with it..i will post on the forum..if not..we will try and take the pics again...
          I have taken a printout of hellouser guide..and will hand that over to the photographer.

          I have few more patients of nw7..will mail arashi today...once the cases are selected..than i will take better pics of these cases too.

          Arashi,do you remeber one nw7 case of an indian from malaysia...whose majority of donor was removed as apart of doubling procedure...he has better donor than before after 5 months of first session...
          He was in mumbai this week,i took his pics..will mail you.

          Also ask Tom and Dr Mwamba,to post tom's pics..which were taken 3/4 days before..wherein, tom mailed me that his donor looks as dense as before,with no white dot mark...and his recipient is looking good too....

          Just recieved a mail from dr mwamba..
          we should be able to finalize our contract at san fransisco,this october.

          Recieved a call from president of ISHRS dr carlos puig, yesterday,he has put me in contact with the chairman of fue research committe..dr mohibe..regarding my doubling and scarless fue work.

          Dr carlos invited me to present my paper at florida,april 2014 in live surgery workshop conference of ishrs.

          Hope to meet the big boss,the stalwart, spencer too at the san fransiso,ishrs meeting.

          Arashi,you all can select few cases for patch test of doubling, at mwamba's clinic at brussels,
          specially yourself...or anyone with great documentation skills.
          I will arrange with dr mwamba the same.

          Originally posted by hellouser
          That 1100D is basically the Rebel T4i. Its more than capable if used properly.

          A few days ago I took some photographs (500 actually, lol) of shoes for an online store. I used a Canon T3i, one generation older than Nigams 1100D. Here's a colour corrected image (grey background was knocked out in order to isolate the image to the shoe)

          Image Hosting, Image Upload, Picture Hosting


          Once the image has loaded, click on it as it will resize to fit to screen. View it in its entirety. It's been compressed from RAW to JPEG twice, once exported from Lightroom to JPEG at 100% JPEG compression and then again in Photoshop via 'Save For Web' at 60%. Don't worry, there isn't much loss. Only did this to prove a point. Image resolution is 18megapixels.

          Settings used for photo are:

          Lens used: Canon 24-105mm f/4L
          Focal Length: 70mm
          ISO 200
          1/250th Shutter Speed
          Aperture: F/13

          Studio Setup: http://i43.tinypic.com/b93f5.jpg

          ^in this photo my Canon 50D is mounted, but at f/13 a lot of dust was noticeable from my sensor, thus I had to use a Canon Rebel T3i (backup camera).

          IMPORTANT:

          If anyone read my photography guide, I pointed out that the higher the f stop value (f/13 for example is much higher than f/2.8) the more of the subject is in focus. But notice that in the image the front of the show is clearly in focus but as you look further back at the shoe, the more blurry it gets. This is called 'bokeh'. I could have used a higher aperture, for example f/16 or f/22 but image sharpness actually degrades. So basically, there will always be some degree of the subject going out of focus beyond the focus point (both before and after).

          If you guys look at Thane's photographs, they QUICKLY blur out further down his head with a view from above. Therefor, a higher f-stop is required but at the same time a LOT more light is needed. Essentially, with every full stop you need twice as much light. Full f-stop increments are as follows:

          f/2, f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, f/8, f/11, f/16, f/22

          With each increment, in order to achieve the same exposure level, (a bright enough photograph) either the shutter speed or ISO speed needs to be compensated by 2X the amount.

          Thus a photograph taken at:

          f/4
          ISO 200
          1/160th shutter speed

          is the same as

          f/5.6
          ISO 400
          1/160th shutter speed

          and also the same as

          f/4
          ISO 200
          1/80th

          Another run down:

          f-stop controls how much light passes through the lens
          ISO controls how sensitive the sensor is to light
          shutter speed controls how LONG light passes through the lens

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          • crafter
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2013
            • 239

            Originally posted by Arashi
            And this was the last I said about that, I'm getting really tired discussing this, lol. Nigams can read here what people think. He should use his brain and make a wise decision on how to document the case. But if you want to prove that you've cured hairloss with some photo's, I'd make damn sure they were as convincing as possible.
            Agreed. If he is legit then sure he should be more attentive to the photos and providing evidence, showing the same attention he does in the 'claimed' transplants. He's not filling me with confidence. But time will show who is genuine and who is not.

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            • TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2013
              • 638

              Dr Nigam thank you for the effort you put in curing us from this awfull desease...

              you will become super famous ....

              we cant wait for the next updates...

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              • crafter
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2013
                • 239

                Originally posted by TO YOUNG TO RETIRE
                Dr Nigam thank you for the effort you put in curing us from this awfull desease...

                you will become super famous ....

                we cant wait for the next updates...
                I wouldn't be to optimistic. I'll only believe it when I see it and Dr Mwamba and a few other doctors have approved it.

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                • Arashi
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 3888

                  Originally posted by drnigams
                  I have few more patients of nw7..will mail arashi today...once the cases are selected..than i will take better pics of these cases too.
                  I'm by no means any authority here. But if you want people's opinions before you release the photo's, of course I'd be willing to help, I'm sure some others like gc83uk or jjjjrs wouldn't mind helping too and take a look at the photo's before you post them on the forums. Anyway, good luck !

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                  • idontwant2bebalding
                    Member
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 48

                    You see, that is what these forums are for.

                    We asked for better test subjects and Dr. Nigam has obliged. We asked for the Holy Grail of proof by converting a NW7 to a NW 2 and Dr. Nigam is obliging. We asked for better photos and have a professional do it and Dr. Nigam is obliging. We asked for and explained the angles of the photos, the lighting of the photos, the setting on the camera itself and Dr. Nigam is obliging. He is willing to get preapproval of those subjects and photos before posting them.

                    I'm not making any assumptions, but we also asked for a way to get a full head of hair again!

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                    • hellouser
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2012
                      • 4419

                      Originally posted by drnigams
                      Arashi,hellouser,greatjob,one...

                      I will try,not to disappoint you all with photographs...
                      will call professional photographer for the cases to be documented .

                      This sunday i am calling the patient mr joshi..and his pics will be taken by professional photographer.

                      But before i post them..i want to first mail it to arashi...
                      if he is fine with it..i will post on the forum..if not..we will try and take the pics again...
                      I have taken a printout of hellouser guide..and will hand that over to the photographer.
                      Here's what you should do:

                      Find a professional PRODUCT photographer, someone who takes photos of food, shoes, clothes, etc. These guys will know best how to set up, light and capture inanimate objects with DETAIL. We're not looking for 'the big picture' with some kind setting/background, we just need one object completely in focus as large as possible.

                      The photographer should ideally provide photos at:

                      400 ISO or lower
                      35-70mm Focal Length (or 28mm and 60mm according to lens suggested below)
                      1/100 second or faster shutter speed
                      f/11-f/16 aperture
                      Shoot at the nearest distance possible
                      Suggested Lens:
                      Canon EF 28mm f/2.8 IS
                      Canon EF-S 60mm f/2,8 USM Macro
                      Camera Body: any dSLR at 12mp or higher
                      Lighting: using umbrellas or softboxes (diffused light MUST be used)

                      The lenses I've suggested are mostly for the reason of their minimum focusing distance, which is 23cm for the 28mm and 20cm for the 60mm Macro lens. The macro lens would be great for very very close shots of the hair follicle up close, similar to the photo of the ant I showed earlier.

                      Give THIS list to the photographer and you shouldn't have problems.
                      Last edited by Winston; 10-11-2013, 04:17 AM. Reason: poster requested edit

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                      • Arashi
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 3888

                        Originally posted by hellouser
                        Here's what you should do:

                        Find a professional PRODUCT photographer, someone who takes photos of food, shoes, clothes, etc. These guys will know best how to set up, light and capture inanimate objects with DETAIL. We're not looking for 'the big picture' with some kind setting/background, we just need one object completely in focus as large as possible.

                        The photographer should ideally provide photos at:

                        400 ISO or lower
                        35-70mm Focal Length
                        1/100 second or faster shutter speed
                        f/11-f/16 aperture
                        Shoot at the nearest distance possible
                        Suggested Lens:
                        Canon EF 28mm f/2.8 IS
                        Canon EF-S 60mm f/2,8 USM Macro
                        Camera Body: any dSLR at 12mp or higher
                        Lighting: using umbrellas or softboxes (diffused light MUST be used)

                        The lenses I've suggested are mostly for the reason of their minimum focusing distance, which is 23cm for the 28mm and 20cm for the 60mm Macro lens. The macro lens would be great for very very close shots of the hair follicle up close, similar to the photo of the ant I showed earlier.
                        Couldnt agree more.

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                        • idontwant2bebalding
                          Member
                          • Jul 2013
                          • 48

                          Originally posted by hellouser
                          Here's what you should do:

                          Find a professional PRODUCT photographer, someone who takes photos of food, shoes, clothes, etc. These guys will know best how to set up, light and capture inanimate objects with DETAIL. We're not looking for 'the big picture' with some kind setting/background, we just need one object completely in focus as large as possible.

                          The photographer should ideally provide photos at:

                          400 ISO or lower
                          35-70mm Focal Length
                          1/100 second or faster shutter speed
                          f/11-f/16 aperture
                          Shoot at the nearest distance possible
                          Suggested Lens:
                          Canon EF 28mm f/2.8 IS
                          Canon EF-S 60mm f/2,8 USM Macro
                          Camera Body: any dSLR at 12mp or higher
                          Lighting: using umbrellas or softboxes (diffused light MUST be used)

                          The lenses I've suggested are mostly for the reason of their minimum focusing distance, which is 23cm for the 28mm and 20cm for the 60mm Macro lens. The macro lens would be great for very very close shots of the hair follicle up close, similar to the photo of the ant I showed earlier.

                          Give THIS list to the photographer and you shouldn't have problems.
                          Love it, these specs. should be a requirement of ALL IAHRS members. No pictures should be accepted on this forum unless they meet these specs.

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                          • drnigams
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2012
                            • 551

                            Hellouser,

                            I will pass on these details to the photographer,thanks for ur inputs.

                            In the mean time,there is an potential exciting news for you all..

                            But, i did not want to say it myself..
                            you should ask TOM and dr mwamba...

                            dr mwamba took pics of TOM and did hair count of the donor...

                            This is what tom told me on skype..(i would like to confirmation of the same from dr mwamba)

                            0 white dots, near complete donor regen..
                            from where follicles were taken(that's what tom said,i am yet to see the pics)..
                            tom said donor looks same as in before pics.
                            tom;s donor around his scar was shaved again ..by dr mwamba..
                            and hair count was done with before and after pics..

                            which showed complete donor regen..
                            (again that's what tom said..i am yet to see the pics..).

                            the pics are with dr mwamba...

                            he is in china for a stemcell conference..would be back in 2 days...

                            Ask them to provide you with photos and their independent assessment.

                            Originally posted by Arashi
                            Couldnt agree more.

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                            • Arashi
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 3888

                              Originally posted by idontwant2bebalding
                              Love it, these specs. should be a requirement of ALL IAHRS members. No pictures should be accepted on this forum unless they meet these specs.
                              That actually would be a great idea. IAHRS members should follow guidelines like those to keep their membership.

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                              • idontwant2bebalding
                                Member
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 48

                                Originally posted by Arashi
                                That actually would be a great idea. IAHRS members should follow guidelines like those to keep their membership.
                                Someone should forward these specs to Dr. Mwamba as I'm sure he will be required to provide photos of the same level of accuracy.

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