HST reply - claims of 6-8 HSTs

[Arashi]

A few months prior to his first HST:

http://www.nufoto.nl/fotos/205506/dean-saunders-in-veldhoven.html

Sides are certainly not NW7. Actually much more NW5-ish.

[greatjob!]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard...n/photostream/

Those are before procedures i believe. You can scroll though a few pics, hes mega bald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyf6HShrSg

This is him and his brother ( in a beanie) 10 years ago, as you can see these guys are severe cases.

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

The only thing I got out of those links is that the mainstream U.S. music industry is not as bad as I thought it was, lmao. However I could see that his crown has probably dropped to that of a nw7 but his sides are probably at about a nw5-6.

In all reality I don't even care anymore, this thread has been extremely constructive imo. The only problem I have had with the Gho debate is that many people claimed it was the cure to baldness and would eliminate the need for all other transplant procedures which has always been something I couldn't agree with.

However I think this discussion has been very constructive and honest and I think that hst is at this point just another option for hairloss sufferers. My theory is that the 85% regeneration figure is not absolute, as anyone with any knowledge of how mpb responds to treatment will understand it is highly variable. So I think that the 85% figure might be the best figure that can be expected and that it varies with each patient and how many procedures they can have depends on the patients goals and how their hair responds to treatment. So at this point I will concede that hst does get some level of regeneration that varies from patient to patient and it is the least invasive and least scarring option out there. It is not the best option for every patient, just like strip and fue aren't the best option for every patient.

I really hope that everyone can agree to the reality of hst and other hair transplant procedures and all of the anger and animosity surrounding these procedures can cease to exist.

[Cookie]

Can the whole horseshoe and sideburns be transplanted into hairline, frontal, crown? Recipients can be buzzed short, and horseshoe can be shaven, like an athletic haircut. Regeneration isn't an issue since horseshoe will be shaven anyways. Would be extremely expensive tho.

[didi]

Can the whole horseshoe and sideburns be transplanted into hairline, frontal, crown? Recipients can be buzzed short, and horseshoe can be shaven, like an athletic haircut. Regeneration isn't an issue since horseshoe will be shaven anyways. Would be extremely expensive tho.

reversed horseshoe?



if theres no white dots and scarring I think it is possible..BUT it will take you 10 years to reverse it...

With Pilofocus will be possible in 2 passes..bring it on

[clarence]

So after having a number of procedures, you start seeing "visible loss in density". And that pulls us again to the yet-unanswered question of using transplanted hairs as new donor hairs:

Those with a thick donor and a good regeneration rate will be eligible for 6-8 HSTs. But those who re-extract some of the newly implanted hairs as donor for future procedures will surely be fine even after 8-10 or more HSTs. Or is HASCI going to tell me this is not possible?

[gc83uk]

So after having a number of procedures, you start seeing "visible loss in density". And that pulls us again to the yet-unanswered question of using transplanted hairs as new donor hairs:

Those with a thick donor and a good regeneration rate will be eligible for 6-8 HSTs. But those who re-extract some of the newly implanted hairs as donor for future procedures will surely be fine even after 8-10 or more HSTs. Or is HASCI going to tell me this is not possible?

I was asking a similar question a few days back, I'll ask Hasci if it's possible and post the answer here as soon as they get back to me.

[clarence]

I was asking a similar question a few days back, I'll ask Hasci if it's possible and post the answer here as soon as they get back to me.

Well I've been drilling the forum with this question almost since post 1, and some others are asking it as well (ie. thread named "extracting donor from a recipient work?), so clarification would help to keep us from derailing discussion into this subject too often...

[Kiwi]

So after having a number of procedures, you start seeing "visible loss in density". And that pulls us again to the yet-unanswered question of using transplanted hairs as new donor hairs:

Those with a thick donor and a good regeneration rate will be eligible for 6-8 HSTs. But those who re-extract some of the newly implanted hairs as donor for future procedures will surely be fine even after 8-10 or more HSTs. Or is HASCI going to tell me this is not possible?

What isn't possible is paying for 10 HSTs!!!

[Kiwi]

What is possible hopefully are copy cat HST surgèons that can refine this and do more for less. Nigram better be legit!!!

[clarence]

What isn't possible is paying for 10 HSTs!!!

We just need some info about hair harvested from transplanted zones. Can be relevant already when having your second HST?

[greatjob!]

The idea of transplanting hair from the donor to the recipient, and then re-transplanting that hair back into the donor doesn't really make much sense to me, kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you experience thinning in the donor from hst, you will surely experience thinning extracting from the recipient area, and ultimately I would expect you would receive no net gain in the end

[gc83uk]

The idea of transplanting hair from the donor to the recipient, and then re-transplanting that hair back into the donor doesn't really make much sense to me, kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you experience thinning in the donor from hst, you will surely experience thinning extracting from the recipient area, and ultimately I would expect you would receive no net gain in the end

I think the reason for the question is to coax Hasci into confirming/denying that a HST graft can be re extracted and multiplied.

Theoretically you could just extract other donor hairs and place those into the thinning areas of your donor without even having to touch the usual recipient area.

[clarence]

The idea of transplanting hair from the donor to the recipient, and then re-transplanting that hair back into the donor doesn't really make much sense to me, kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you experience thinning in the donor from hst, you will surely experience thinning extracting from the recipient area, and ultimately I would expect you would receive no net gain in the end

I was NOT directly pushing the idea of re-transplanting hair back into the donor. That is a slightly different subject (e. g. we would have to discuss, if re-transplanting hairs back into the donor would carry any benefit whatsoever over a basic donor-to-donor transplant, with the goal of filling in the gaps left by previous procedures)

So let's say you have slick bald temples and/or hairline, and you choose to transplant hair there first. 50 cm2/square density. Then at a later stage in life, you need/want to fill in the crown as well. Can your donor take that much thinning, which you need to fill in the crown, or do you take some of the grafts from the transplanted zone as well?

Does it actually matter, numbers-wise, with HST whether hairs harvested include hairs which have once been previously transplanted into the recipient? I think it all comes down to this question.

[Cookie]

If I had enough money, I will get transplant every year to achieve a reversed horseshoe hairstyle. Don't care if the horseshoe don't regenerate since I would shave it like basketball players.

[greatjob!]

If I had enough money, I will get transplant every year to achieve a reversed horseshoe hairstyle. Don't care if the horseshoe don't regenerate since I would shave it like basketball players.

Ha never thought of that. Since hst is scarless why care about donor depletion? Just transplant everything up top and shave the sides with a nice tight 0 fade