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  • bald fighter
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2013
    • 13

    #31
    ^^^

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    • cocacola
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 222

      #32
      I mean non hst 5000 graft that people claim look better on a nw7 like saunders

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      • Brock Landers
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 24

        #33
        Saunders result

        sorry double post, where is the delete post button?
        Last edited by Brock Landers; 06-16-2013, 11:14 PM. Reason: sorry double post

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        • Brock Landers
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2012
          • 24

          #34
          Saunders result

          1) Saunders specs on his head are from two treatments, NOT three. He was going for his 3rd. So you are seeing the results of 3000+ grafts.

          2) How can you even comment on his results when he shaves to the bone? Its not like he grew out his hair and the results are sh-t. Frankly when he shaves to the bone, we can't really tell how well the results were, EXCEPT for the fact that he had no donor scarring.

          3) I think Spencer was right in that Gho is a minimal scarring, conservative option. If you want an impact result in 1-2 passes, and you have a lot of loss, he's probably not your guy. HOWEVER, if you want the ability to shave to a 1 grade or lower, he is your only guy! For me he's the only one I would consider, as I currently shave to a 1, and probably can't get more than 4000 regular FUE grafts out maximum. So for me (and probably a guy like Saunders too), the ability to shave down is non-negotiable, otherwise I wouldn't even consider a transplant. For all you newbies out there who haven't seen results or had consultations, Doctors will tell you the ability to shave down to a 1 grade with FUE is not guaranteed!

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          • didi
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 1360

            #35
            Originally posted by Brock Landers
            1) Saunders specs on his head are from two treatments, NOT three. He was going for his 3rd. So you are seeing the results of 3000+ grafts.

            2) How can you even comment on his results when he shaves to the bone? Its not like he grew out his hair and the results are sh-t. Frankly when he shaves to the bone, we can't really tell how well the results were, EXCEPT for the fact that he had no donor scarring.

            3) I think Spencer was right in that Gho is a minimal scarring, conservative option. If you want an impact result in 1-2 passes, and you have a lot of loss, he's probably not your guy. HOWEVER, if you want the ability to shave to a 1 grade or lower, he is your only guy! For me he's the only one I would consider, as I currently shave to a 1, and probably can't get more than 4000 regular FUE grafts out maximum. So for me (and probably a guy like Saunders too), the ability to shave down is non-negotiable, otherwise I wouldn't even consider a transplant. For all you newbies out there who haven't seen results or had consultations, Doctors will tell you the ability to shave down to a 1 grade with FUE is not guaranteed!


            if you have 4000 available via FUE that would mean you could have 20 000+ with HST.
            85% donor regeneration is as good as 100%... in theory every patient would get full head of hair before his donor runs out


            IMO hst is great if you want very conservative HT, with high hairline, ability to shave after 2-3 procedures..if you want full head of hair it wont happen, H&W are kings when it comes to yield.

            its a big red flag when clinic claims to multiply hairs but cant produce results that are better than traditional HTs, in fact they are far worse than fue/fut...mediocre at best

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            • Skywalker
              Member
              • Oct 2010
              • 63

              #36
              Originally posted by didi
              IMO hst is great if you want very conservative HT, with high hairline, ability to shave after 2-3 procedures..if you want full head of hair it wont happen, H&W are kings when it comes to yield.
              I don't think that is an unreasonable statement regarding the current state of play - if you want the illusion of a full head of hair on NW5's or 6's then we don't see evidence to date of that with HST so far.

              Remember though that H&W do Strip to get these results - not FUE, you need an excellent donor and you will need to factor in the strip scar for the rest of your life - meaning you should never expect to have the option to shave down again. You should also be willing to take Finasteride for the rest of your life.

              FUE can of course get great results - but massive transformations are not as possible in my opinion and the donor area won't stand up to it. I think FUE is still better with smaller procedures - in my opinion if you go strip you go HUMUNGOUS - it doesn't make sense to me to have a small strip procedure.

              Personally the option of a non-damaged donor area makes HST the only option that I would consider as of June 2013 - but I still want more information on the yield they are getting. GC's next procedure will be VERY informative in my opinion as he documents well and he says he will again.

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              • KO1
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 805

                #37
                Where can I see Gho results of >5000 grafts? Don't say Dean Saunders, his result is very mediocre. I can see tons of results from H&W, Rahal, Lorenzo, Erdogan, Shapiro, but whenever we ask for evidence of Gho all we get is "look at Dean Saunders".

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                • garethbale
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2012
                  • 603

                  #38
                  Originally posted by KO1
                  Where can I see Gho results of >5000 grafts? Don't say Dean Saunders, his result is very mediocre. I can see tons of results from H&W, Rahal, Lorenzo, Erdogan, Shapiro, but whenever we ask for evidence of Gho all we get is "look at Dean Saunders".
                  You won't find any

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                  • caddarik79
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 495

                    #39
                    Originally posted by ryan555
                    Well bullshit or not, 10,000 grafts from someone claiming 85% donor regeneration is not impressive in the least, unless it were done on a slick Norwood 7 with very low donor density.

                    I so much agree with you!!!
                    85% donor regeneration should offer a galery of crazy and uncommon great results.

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                    • gc83uk
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 1339

                      #40
                      Originally posted by KO1
                      Where can I see Gho results of >5000 grafts? Don't say Dean Saunders, his result is very mediocre. I can see tons of results from H&W, Rahal, Lorenzo, Erdogan, Shapiro, but whenever we ask for evidence of Gho all we get is "look at Dean Saunders".
                      Agreed you won't find any YET. Give it about 10 or 11 months and I'll kindly document mine, which should be around 6000 by then.

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                      • KO1
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 805

                        #41
                        Fair enough, will watch out for yours. But it does beg the question, where are the others? Gho has been doing this for over a decade now.

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                        • 534623
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 1854

                          #42
                          Originally posted by KO1

                          ...where are the others?
                          Gho has been doing this for over a decade now.
                          They are still asking stupid questions - like they did for over a decade now.

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                          • KO1
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 805

                            #43
                            ...I was referring to other 5k graft cases....

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                            • greatjob!
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 909

                              #44
                              Originally posted by 534623
                              They are still asking stupid questions - like they did for over a decade now.
                              Yeah you know those questions that you ask to verify claims of 85% regeneration that continue to go unanswered, so stupid...

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                              • Phatalis
                                Senior Member
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 263

                                #45
                                Originally posted by 534623
                                They are still asking stupid questions - like they did for over a decade now.
                                Your posts used to make me feel confident in HST and Gho.. but more and more I realize you're not objective and must have some sort of monetary investment in them.

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