HST reply - claims of 6-8 HSTs

[gc83uk]

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

Those results seem reasonable, but if the wind blew I wonder what's under those long hairs be good to see a shorter hair cut.

The shaving the head thing... Lets say you have 6000 grafts via FUE/FUT and your a happy man for 10 years or so, great! But the time may come when you need more grafts because you've lost more native hair perhaps in the crown or hair line, your out of luck now because you're out of donor. Not only do you now have 2 horns either side of your forelock area, but you can't shave your head either because of the worry of what lies beneath in terms of scars.

Those FUE pics of the donor are some of the better photos, but I can still see white FUE scars, with the exception of the 1st photo as it's a bit far away.

Anyways, makes a change to have a relaxed conversation over here. At the end of the day we all want the same thing!

[garethbale]

Yeah. I saw a completely bald bloke in the pub the other day. He had had a hair transplant and there was a sparse array of hairs around his hairline, and a nasty scar stretching across the back of his head which looked awful.

We started debating football, he was quite ignorant and patronising and generally doing my head in.

I was almost ready to rip into him about his ridiculous looking transplant! I could have destroyed him but I reckon he would have hit me. Haha

[greatjob!]

Those results seem reasonable, but if the wind blew I wonder what's under those long hairs be good to see a shorter hair cut.

The shaving the head thing... Lets say you have 6000 grafts via FUE/FUT and your a happy man for 10 years or so, great! But the time may come when you need more grafts because you've lost more native hair perhaps in the crown or hair line, your out of luck now because you're out of donor. Not only do you now have 2 horns either side of your forelock area, but you can't shave your head either because of the worry of what lies beneath in terms of scars.

Those FUE pics of the donor are some of the better photos, but I can still see white FUE scars, with the exception of the 1st photo as it's a bit far away.

Anyways, makes a change to have a relaxed conversation over here. At the end of the day we all want the same thing!

I completely understand I was just putting up some examples to try and balance out the debate from the other extreme side of the argument. Like most things poitics, religion ect. there are usually two extreme ends of the debate that are most vocal with the truth lying somewhere in the middle.

I am the first to admit that high graft count FUE procedures like I have shown are not the norm, shit I couldn't get anywhere near 5000 grafts from my donor via FUE, I just wanted to show what they looked like. And also I wouldn't count on being able to shave down to a zero guard with FUE, but it is possible.

I will never argue that hst isn't the least invasive no scarring option out there, but until they prove me wrong their results in the recipient area are sorely lacking and their 85% donor regeneration figure has yet to be proven true. I really hope you are the guy who proves this all true and gets a home run result!

[PayDay]

If what he's doing is FUE with minimal/no scarring, then it's great, but Gho has always been trumpeted as a guy who was giving unlimited donor yadda yadda, and how his technique will make transplants obsolete.

I understand the former, but the latter is what we've been pitched on forums.

This has always been the most misleading part of all discussions about Gho on all of the forums. It's unfortunate because the younger, impressional guys have blindly believed these types of false claims and think that Gho is the answer to their prayers.

It is great to see a mature, rational discussion about Gho. This is something that has always been lacking in the past.

I personally do not think Dr. Gho offers a great option for those who have a good donor area and want a really good hair transplant. That's just my opinion based on all of the real evidence, not inflated opinions or hype about the procedure.

I do not believe there is anything close to 85% donor regeneration and if there was there would be many cases presented on the internet since Gho has been around for such a long time.

His results just don't seem to compare to a great FUE and as shown in this thread, when done right, visible scaring can be very minimal, so if anything HST should be reserved for later procedures to get more coverage with less of a chance of increasing any visible scaring on the scalp, not for the first few procedures.

I would think having a balance of visibly insignificant donor scaring and a fuller head of hair would be the ideal scenario and trump what Gho is offering at this time. Now if someone has a very limited donor and is turned away by the best FUE doctors, this is a different story.

[Cookie]

Can HST use facial hair, side burn, neck, pubic hair, which regeneration is not an issue.

[didi]

what dr gho does is he transects 2 hair follicle and calls it 1 hair graft....
of course 1 will grw in donor and other will grow in recipient...people get excited...
but recipient alwys look thin and its only good for shaving

but his HSTs got nothing to do with stem cell transplant and hair multiplication..that part is hoax

dr Wesley will deliver truly scarless HT with fut yield, its only 6 months away..
then we have dr nigam and his work looks promising

[clarence]

This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

No, you get a big FUT scar spiced up with a few FUE dots to wear long hair... on the sides and the back of your head. Buzzing down the top/front of your head is now obligatory for everyone, who are adjusted to short hair on the sides/back

[greatjob!]

No, you get a big FUT scar spiced up with a few FUE dots to wear long hair... on the sides and the back of your head. Buzzing down the top/front of your head is now obligatory for everyone, who are adjusted to short hair on the sides/back

You quoted me in your reply, but I honestly cannot determine what you are trying to say here. It really doesn't make much sense, can you clarify?

[clarence]

You quoted me in your reply, but I honestly cannot determine what you are trying to say here. It really doesn't make much sense, can you clarify?

/sarcasm mode off
Ok... just amusing myself at the old lame argument for HTs - ie. guys have a HT to grow out their hair, not to buzz/shave/whatever...

Guys who are adjusted to very short hair on the sides/back, despite growing their hair longer on the top/front, might take issue with that argument.

[greatjob!]

/sarcasm mode off
Ok... just amusing myself at the old lame argument for HTs - ie. guys have a HT to grow out their hair, not to buzz/shave/whatever...

Guys who are adjusted to very short hair on the sides/back, despite growing their hair longer on the top/front, might take issue with that argument.

Well it is reasonable to expect to be able to shave your donor to a 4 guard with strip and 2 guard with FUE. Sure there are outliers but the majority of patients can shave to the above lengths. So yeah if your goal is to shave down below a 2 guard with fue, and a 4 guard with strip then you should not have a traditional hair transplant.

[cocacola]

Here are three examples all from the same doctor. I would upload more but I don't have all day to do so.

6381 FUE Dr. Lorenzo:







I really don't see the need to shave down if you have results like this, I mean what is the point of spending $30,000 on a hair transplant so you can shave your head? Shaving your head is free. While I will give you the fact that hst is the least scarring option, there are varying degrees of scarring with FUE, not just the worst case scenario that Ironman posts daily. So here are two examples of good FUE scarring:

4200 grafts via FUE:



3489 grafts via FUE:



And of course it can be not quite so good like this guy:





This is a very honest and intelligent assessment of the procedure. My point with Dr. Gho is that the only main benefit that everyone proclaims is that you can shave to the bone, and with most of his results you would be required to shave to the bone because they don't look that great. A hair transplant is about having hair not shaving your head, if you want to shave your head then save you money and just shave your head.

Thank you for the examples, however to compare those results to Dean Saunders case is like comparing oranges to apples.

First of all, the only one of these patients that had similar degree of baldness is only the first case, and in this case u can see its pretty thin + combover after 6.4k grafts. Then, we have no idea how his donor looks.

The 2nd and the 3rd look better. However, they had much more hair to begin with. We have no idea how their donor looks.

Furthermore, the donor picture is only after 3.4k grafts. It looks ok, i can see some gaps and minor white spots, but that could only be my bias. Then again, here we have no idea how his result actually looks.

To compare high count hst to a high count fue you need result, donor area and same degree of baldness to begin with.

[greatjob!]

Thank you for the examples, however to compare those results to Dean Saunders case is like comparing oranges to apples.

First of all, the only one of these patients that had similar degree of baldness is only the first case

Do you have any pictures of Dean Saunders with his hair grown out pre any procedures?

[cocacola]

Do you have any pictures of Dean Saunders with his hair grown out pre any procedures?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/richard-canten/5867970246/in/photostream/

Those are before procedures i believe. You can scroll though a few pics, hes mega bald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwyf6HShrSg

This is him and his brother ( in a beanie) 10 years ago, as you can see these guys are severe cases.

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

[Arashi]

Its pretty much norwood max and he has a big head. Proportion of donor area to bald area is pretty bad. I would say in the bottom 5% of all distributions.

Nah. Pause the video at 2:54. Although a horrible quality, I'd say he's NW6 rather than NW7 in this vid. But then again, the vid is 10 years old.

[Arashi]

I was googling a bit. In this video, dated feb 2011 (6 months prior to his first HST), he does look like a NW6.5 (his back looks like NW7, his sides like NW6). It's really hard to get a good idea of his donor quality though, haven't seen any good photo's.

Anyway, this is maybe my biggest concern regarding HASCI. They make a case out of Dean but they just fail to document it properly. We'd need to see high res pre-op photo's to get a good idea of the success of the operations.