The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[Arashi]

Yes Didi, take the red pill and tell us how about your test ! How many grafts is Nigams going to transplant on your head and where exactly ?

[didi]

tomorrow ... D day.....it sucks we dont have any 3 party observers to monitor procedure, and 'James' isnt active poster

IMan, how you feel abt the whole thing?nervous?

[534623]

IMan, how you feel abt the whole thing?nervous?

Actually, I'm not nervous at all, because I think it's a good thing that you finally took the red pill for Nigam's 50-grafts test doubling-activation-acell-growth-factors-hair-germ-pluck...you know...his whatever procedure.

So the only thing what makes me really nervous is the point about your photography skills. So how do you plan to document your Nigam-test-procedure? How are you going to ...let's say "fix"...everything if you and Dr. Nigam don't like what you see in the photos/documentation to ensure it delivers the desired results for all the other 'vulnerable' guys with low budget? Will you get some education after your test-procedure about "how to do it" by the experienced guys Dr. Nigam and his webmaster?

[james bald]

Hey guys,

I'm the person with codename James Bald. Sorry for letting you guys wait so long, but it took a while for activating my account here...

Let me introduce myself, I am 30 years, asian, had hairloss since 19,
used finasteride and minoxidil for a couple of months and then stopped,
in 2008 I went to Turkey for a FUE. I think it was about 2000 grafts.

But I wasn't happy with the results, because the front left side of my head didn't have enough density, so I went back for a 'correction' and for my crown.

The second time I think was around 1200 grafts.

I shaved my head some time ago and I saw little white dots, which shocked me... because I stopped using minoxidil and fina, my hairloss kept on.

Since februari I restarted using minoxidil and fina, and added regenepure on my list because I also had dandruffs for a long time.

After asking for advice at another forum I came across HST, I went for a consult in Maastricht and explained my situation.
They offered me a free test procedure in exchange for allowing pictures to be taken and published.

Tomorrow is the day, HST is going to take good quality, microscopic pictures.
I'm also going to take before and after pictures so that I can evaluate the results for myself.
If this technique really works as HST claims, I'm planning a bigger session.

The first two pictures posted are taken today,the third one is from months ago.

These is only one problem: I don't have a slick bald area, I don't want the grafts placed on the crown because I see there is regrowth( you can see tiny plucky hairs) and I don't want to damage them.

I think maybe on the scars at the back of my head or in the front left area.

What do you think guys?

I'll keep updating progress here... so if you have any advice or question, I'd like to hear them.

Cheers,

James Bald

[534623]

Hey guys,

I'm the person with codename James Bald.

Hi James Bald,

nice to hear from you.

Anyway, here are my first thoughts about you and your case in general:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showpost.php?p=113204&postcount=61

So far, nothing has changed - I mean, concerning my first impressions.

[534623]

These is only one problem: I don't have a slick bald area, I don't want the grafts placed on the crown because I see there is regrowth( you can see tiny plucky hairs) and I don't want to damage them.

I think maybe on the scars at the back of my head or in the front left area.

What do you think guys?

Forget the scars for such a test-procedure!
Everybody knows that the success rate for implanted grafts into scar tissue can significantly decline - so forget the idea of implanting the test-grafts into the scars. I'm not 100% sure, but it appears that there is an almost bald spot in your RIGHT temple area ...

Full Size: http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/attachm...4&d=1365334916

... so this almost bald spot could be an ideal place to implant the 50 test-grafts, I think.

But the bigger problem is - where, exactly, should Kristel extract the 50 test-grafts in such a donor area ...


... which is full of real white dots scarring??

Of course there are, in general, still losts of hairs/grafts in your donor area, but the "tricky environment" itself could be somewhat problematic concerning

- the influence on the regeneration rate of HST extractions;
- rather problematic to observe/monitor/document the extractions sites,

IF Kristel is forced to extract the grafts everywhere in a bigger area, instead just within a rather small 2-3 cm² area.

So you're going for an HST Test-Procedure?
What exactly do you YOURSELF expect TO SEE with your own eyes after having the test-procedure - in the donor as well as recipient area?
"Hair Growth" ? lol

What good is such a "test procedure", if you yourself would be completely unable to tell thereafter whether or not something has been successful or not? You know, I'm talking about the INTENTION of such a test-procedure...
So HOW will you be able to tell me the truth about the end-result?

[didi]

the fact is that you dont have slick bald scalp and putting 50 grafts into the area where there is already hair is not a good idea, you will never know exact number of hairs that grow as result of hst.

my suggestion is somewhere along the hairline, or in the temple corners(red square, 25 grafts in each corner); refer to picture..you will need to soften hairline anyway..




what did hasci say, did they suggest any place? Did you talk about details, type of grafts, etc

[Arashi]

my suggestion is somewhere along the hairline, or in the temple corners(red square, 25 grafts in each corner); refer to picture..you will need to soften hairline anyway..

Again, this really is the most ridiculous remark you've made so far. James here is willing to help us out with the test and you suggest he'd transplant those grafts and mess up his hairline by doing so ? Why don't you go to Dr Nigams and have him transplant 50 grafts to the middle of your forehead ? That would be a PERFECT spot for analysis, right ?

Fact is, if you look at the research JJJJRs did on GC's scalp, it really doesn't matter if there are hairs already there. Look at all the hairs in GC's donor, that didn't hold him back from finding out the original grafts and regrowth a year after surgery. All we need are good, high res photo's.

[Arashi]

I do think IM pointed out a nice test area by the way. It's also in James interest to have that filled up.

[Arashi]

Oh and BTW, good to see you here James ! All the best tomorrow with the surgery !

[didi]

arshi, that area would be easy to cheat, it has pre existing hair..

guy has between 10 -20 grafts per cm2...you can put hairs there...

hairline is good place otherwise test wont be valid

[Arashi]

arshi, that area would be easy to cheat, it has pre existing hair..

guy has between 10 -20 grafts per cm2...you can put hairs there...

hairline is good place otherwise test wont be valid

Cheat ? Please elaborate on that. How would it be easy to cheat if we get pre-op photo's of the shaven area and immediate post-op photo's ?

[Arashi]

But again, Didi, this is exactly what I mean. You make a totally ridiculous point (like if the hairs are not transplanted to the hairline it's going to be easy to cheat). If I ask you to explain you just don't answer, cause you know as well as anybody that it's just totally ridiculous. It just seems you don't care about this test at all. You just want it to fail.

[didi]

we need 2cm2 of bald area

theres no tattoo, birthmark

besides james is happy to put 50 grafts in somewhere in hairline, if he is happy than why would you be concerned? dont you want test area to be as bals as possible for easy analysis


These is only one problem: I don't have a slick bald area, I don't want the grafts placed on the crown because I see there is regrowth( you can see tiny plucky hairs) and I don't want to damage them.

I think maybe on the scars at the back of my head or in the front left area.

[Arashi]

we need 2cm2 of bald area

theres no tattoo, birthmark

besides james is happy to put 50 grafts in somewhere in hairline, if he is happy than why would you be concerned? dont you want test area to be as bals as possible for easy analysis

Reading James post, he's talking about the 'front left' area as a possible recipient. If that's a similar area as you suggested, of course, that would be the best. I just don't think we have ANY right to even suggest him to place the grafts in such an obvious area, but if he wants to do that, then of course, this would be the very best location by far ! And maybe Kristel can arrange it in such a way that it enhances his hairline, so it would have a benefit too. That would be great, no doubt.