The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[534623]

To clarify, this poor guy's hair was messed up by a Turkish unknown clinic, who obviously performed a horrible job. He contacted HASCI and they said they could improve his situation. But since he's afraid of another transplant, he's interested in the 50 graft test and see how HASCI works for him.

So, first of all, you're talking about this guy at haarweb.nl...

http://www.haarweb.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=32053

And here is his current situation -according to his complicated uploaded pics:
DONOR AREA current

RECIPIENT AREA current


According to the guy himself at haarweb.nl, he mentioned TWICE that his donor area is severe damaged - actually needless to mention that, when you look at his donor area pic.

According to the photos, the guy got nothing more than normal FUE procedures in the past, extracted with big (actually typical) FUE-punshes - that's all - and the recipient area looks accordingly; in my opinion, not even that bad when I checked out his whole hair loss history and BEFORE photos:

Seems he lost almost all of his pre-existing hairs in the recipient area in the meanwhile (!) and just the implanted FUE grafts are still there. So in my opinion - there is absolutely nothing unusual to see.

Good candidate for the 50-grafts test procedure?
pffffff - WHERE exactly should Kristel extract the HST grafts within this clump of scar tissue??

[didi]

TEST can still go ahead, plenty of donor to get 50 grafts but where they gonna implant them?
Crown has lots of hairs, it is not slick bald..

how about along the hairline/temples?
what is ghos plan.

[didi]

How many FUE grafts did he have in total?

[534623]

what is ghos plan.

Sorry, I didn't that Dr. Gho is involved in any "plan".

[Arashi]

plenty of donor to get 50 grafts

Hehe. For once I agree with Didi. Besides, Kristel herself agrees too, since our guy went on consult and they agreed to performing the test on him.

but where they gonna implant them?
Crown has lots of hairs, it is not slick bald..

Again, the area doesn't need to be slick bald at all. As long as good photo's are being made and the grafts can be placed closely together, everything should be fine.

[Arashi]

Plenty of donor and plenty of nearly bold area as well:

[Arashi]

What do you think, JJJJrS ? You've said:

So how can we get the conclusive evidence we want that will show how well HST works in practice? In my opinion, the easiest way to do this is with a 50-graft test procedure. This means:

- 50 grafts (including 1-hair, 2-hair, and 3-hair follicular units) are extracted from a small area (2-3 cm^2).
- These 50 grafts are then implanted into a slick bald area, approx. 2 cm^2 in size

How important are these 2-3 cm2 ? If good photo's are being made, the grafts could be a bit more apart, right ? I don't see why they should be that close together in donor ? Or am I missing something ? In recipient it would indeed be good to have them rather close together but again, would it make any difference to have 5 cm2 instead of 3 cm ? As I see it, the only reason for having them close both in donor and recipient is for ease of analysis, right ?

Let me know and I'll send forward the 'requirements' to Kristel.

[534623]

Plenty of donor and plenty of nearly bold area as well:

I agree - if you ignore the by the flash created 'bold' look in the crown area (often used this nice effect in the HT and research field for before and after photos) as well as the moth-eaten look in the whole donor area (I heard so much about it in the FUE field) - great candidate.

But wasn't it Dr. Kristel van Herwijnen (besides Dr. Gho in the 1st Kobren/Gho interview) who told similar former FUE candidates the following...


"she said they would not guarantee growth from areas with scars and that included fue scarring"

And THAT's what I'm talking about. Still "plenty donor hair" - it doesn't matter - the severe scarring is everywhere in the donor area's skin.

[Arashi]

And THAT's what I'm talking about.

If this is true, then why would they tell this guy they can help them with another procedure ? And if this is true, then why whould they even agree to the 50 graft test on this guy ? He has been on consult, Kristel examined him and agreed to performing the test on him.

[534623]

If this is true, then why would they tell this guy they can help them with another procedure ? And if this is true, then why whould they even agree to the 50 graft test on this guy ? He has been on consult, Kristel examined him and agreed to performing the test on him.

Why?
BECAUSE OF THE SCARRING PROBLEM PER SE!!

And who says that Kristel is fully aware about your guys intention with the 50 grafts test procedure including every shit you guys demand??

[534623]

How many FUE grafts did he have in total?

And that's the best question at all. Arashi, do you know this?
I couldn't find so far this information. I'm not 100% sure anymore, but I think he mentioned he had all in all 2 FUE procedures so far in the past - but how many grafts all in all?

[Arashi]

Why?
BECAUSE OF THE SCARRING PROBLEM PER SE!!

And who says that Kristel is fully aware about your guys intention with the 50 grafts test procedure including every shit you guys demand??

It seems someone forgot to take his chill pills today. Relax man. Kristel knows that the idea is that we want to link donor regeneration to recipient growth. She examined this guy, said he was an ok subject to perform the test on, they'll get professional photo's and even place the results on their website as a showcase of their technology.

[534623]

It seems someone forgot to take his chill pills today. Relax man. Kristel knows that the idea is that we want to link donor regeneration to recipient growth. She examined this guy, said he was an ok subject to perform the test on, they'll get professional photo's and even place the results on their website as a showcase of their technology.

Is that something she told you or the test candidate?
Sorry, but I don't know...

[Arashi]

Is that something she told you or the test candidate?
Sorry, but I don't know...

She told our test person, after the examination, that she was ok with the test and that they'd do it for free, get professional photo's and place the results on their website

[didi]

the most important part is to place 50 grafts in small space(2 cm2)
where these grafts come from isnt as important

pic of his crown looks bald but it could be bc of flash,

why not put it in his temples, in the corner, nice slick hairless area, 25 grafts in each corner...easy to count and he also needs some hairline lowering..win win situation