The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[Arashi]

That's the only thing we can do at this point.

And actually it's all we need. We want to know the TRUE regeneration rate, not the graft regeneration rate (which will always be higher). In your research you found that the TRUE regeneration rate was about 65%, while 80% of the grafts regenerated. THAT is what we want to know. Nobody is interested in grafts, it's all about hairs.

[534623]

Acually, even this discussion is completely IRRELEVANT!

Simply count ALL hairs (and not grafts, follicles and crap whatever) in the petri dish:

- almost the same amount of HAIRS should be back in all extraction holes;
- almost the same amount of HAIRS should grow in the recipient area(s).

WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM?

The only problem so far are just the PHOTOS itself (quality) - but actually not the petri-dish photo....

So simply try to COUNT all the HAIRS in the petri dish you can SEE!

By the way - just an EXAMPLE:

They extract, again, for example, 100 HAIRS in the donor area (you can see and can count them in a petri-dish).

100 hairs grow back in the donor area...
100 hairs grow in the recipient area.

Seriously, IF that happens, personally I give a shit about to see, whether or not an extracted 3-hair graft produces exactly a 3-hair graft in the recipient area - I would give a SHIT!

[Arashi]

By the way - just an EXAMPLE:

They extract, again, for example, 100 HAIRS in the donor area.

100 hairs grow back in the donor area...
100 hairs grow in the recipient area.

Seriously, IF that happens, personally I give a shit about to see, whether or not an extracted 3-hair graft produces exactly a 3-hair graft in the recipient area - I would give a SHIT!

Exactly my point. You're interested in hairs, not in grafts.

[Arashi]

But, question remains, can we get a good estimate of the amount of hairs in the petridish ? Is the photo clear enough ?

[gc83uk]

OK so we count all hairs, which I will try to shortly.

But if according to I.M a telogen hair which has been extracted won't regrow in the donor and won't grow in the recipient AND half of the grafts in the single compartment appear as though they are in telogen, then by counting the number of hairs, for example we count a figure of 300 (random number)...

So we should be able to count 600 hairs which grow in the donor AND recipient area in total right? Because this is doubling afterall.

[534623]

But, question remains, can we get a good estimate of the amount of hairs in the petridish ? Is the photo clear enough ?

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12643640/img/12643640.jpg

Absolutely.

Some guys should try (independent) to count all HAIRS - and provide/post the sum/amount.

[JJJJrS]

But, question remains, can we get a good estimate of the amount of hairs in the petridish ? Is the photo clear enough ?

I'll give it a shot soon and we'll see. As long as we're getting similar amounts, it should be ok.

I wish HASCI stuck with 50 grafts instead of 200 though...

[Arashi]

I'll give it a shot soon and we'll see. As long as we're getting similar amounts, it should be ok.

I wish HASCI stuck with 50 grafts instead of 200 though...

I wish they had paid more attention to the (your) suggestions I've mailed them and get better photo's. But how knows, maybe they'll have better, I'm going to find out.

[gc83uk]

Before I start counting each and every hair in section 1, how many hairs are you seeing in section 2?

I can see a total of 111.

[JJJJrS]

Before I start counting each and every hair in section 1, how many hairs are you seeing in section 2?

I can see a total of 111.

I counted around 115. I was confident about 113 and a couple were questionable.

[gc83uk]

I counted around 115. I was confident about 113 and a couple were questionable.

OK good, just wanted to make sure I wasn't barking up the wrong tree. I had 113 at first and recounted to 111, just recounted a third time and can see:

40 x 2 FU's of which 37 look intact (3 of these could have gone into the single section I think)
8 x 3FU's which no doubt will only grow as a 2 FU
2 x 4FU's which will probably grow as a 2 FU also.

Total 112.

So I think 98 of the 112 hairs from section two will grow and this I think is the best case scenario, unless of course I'm misunderstanding something, there is every chance I am

The other 14 hairs from this section are not going to regrow from the donor area and as I.M said it's unclear that they will ever grow in the recipient.

[Arashi]

I counted 113. Could be 2 less, not sure.

[Arashi]

We're all pretty close, but this was the easy one Next one is going to be a lot more difficult ...

[gc83uk]

I cannot accept these are all because of telogen.

I would actually rather believe they are transections that didn't fit into the drill and the transected hairs will regrow in the donor as normal.

Surely this is what's happening here!

[Arashi]

I cannot accept these are all because of telogen.

I would actually rather believe they are transections that didn't fit into the drill and the transected hairs will regrow in the donor as normal.

Surely this is what's happening here!

That certainly is a possibility. But then again, according to that article 10% should be in telogen and that's pretty consistent with our find (HASCI counted 2x50 = 100, we're at 110-ish)