The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[534623]

Ok guys, I have awesome news. HASCI is going to re-do the test !!
Details to follow, but they understood why the previous test failed and will take great care to make sure we won't need a 3rd one

From what I understand, it will be going down next wednesday already !

Unfortunately not on James. They have a client living nearby who can come by daily for photoshooting. I asked if he was also active on one of these forums, haven't got a reply yet.

But if this is a guy not active on any forums, then I think we'll have to figure out a way to make the test more reliable.

Just got a mail back from Kristel. She said this guy is not on the forums and wants to stay out. She said that if necessary, somebody could witness surgery. Also a VERY valid point is that she said that she as a doctor has taken a sworn oath which they take very seriously. I'm not sure how that works in India, but in the Netherlands this is a big thing.

So, not sure how this client of theirs would feel about meeting up a few days later ... I can ask them about that.

What they said they will do this time is tattoo the donor (temp tattoo) and then shoot the microscopic kind of pictures that I've posted before.

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

So, what's up?
Did didi send them his high quality donor area photos where we can see thousands of triplets (otherwise they will not do a further test - as far as I know)??

[FearTheLoss]

These 50 graft tests are way too rushed.

No proper photographer and some random guy who we dont know if he will be committed to documenting the case and keeping us updated with a log.

I agree, I hope this isn't going to be another fail...but I think Arashi is on top if things...?

[hellouser]

These 50 graft tests are way too rushed.

No proper photographer and some random guy who we dont know if he will be committed to documenting the case and keeping us updated with a log.

[FearTheLoss]

Is the test tomorrow? what is exactly going on for this one....

[JJJJrS]

The test is tomorrow right? Let's hope it goes well and everything is documented properly.

It's too bad the test patient isn't a member of any forum. Arashi, is there a chance they'll share the pictures with you or the forum, or will we just have to wait until they decide to post the results on the HASCI website?

[JJJJrS]

Another example of what they've shot of James' donor using that microscopic camera. To me it seems this would be perfect as long as we can locate the area with tattoo's: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12751980.jpg

The quality of these images is great. It's completely clear exactly how many hairs are in each unit, something which isn't always obvious even with gc and IM's photos.

Well, as long as they tattoo the area, which they're planning to, and each tattoo serves as a mark to locate the area, then it doesn't matter IMHO if several shots are needed. Or am I missing something ?

When you have 4-10 different images that you're combining to get the full picture of the monitored area, it could get a little confusing with the different overlapping parts. In this case, the images are also very zoomed in and it doesn't give you a great sense of the surrounding area.

I don't know what machine they're using or how it works, but it would be great if they could zoom out just a little bit to capture more of the area.

We could work around it of course, especially if the areas are tattooed . I'm sure HASCI has a plan, but I'm a little more cautious after the way things turned out last time. This time we can't even communicate with the patient either so I really want to make sure we plan things out as well as possible.

[Arashi]

Another example of what they've shot of James' donor using that microscopic camera. To me it seems this would be perfect as long as we can locate the area with tattoo's: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12751980.jpg

[Arashi]

That's too bad. If they could capture the 50 extractions in one photo like that, the quality would be perfect for analysis.

Everything depends on the quality of the photos so it's very important that we resolve this before the procedure, or else we could repeat the scenario from before.

In my opinion, I'd even be willing to chip in and pay to get a professional photographer from Masstricht, if possible, to take some photos of the small areas.

Well, as long as they tattoo the area, which they're planning to, and each tattoo serves as a mark to locate the area, then it doesn't matter IMHO if several shots are needed. Or am I missing something ?

[JJJJrS]

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

That's too bad. If they could capture the 50 extractions in one photo like that, the quality would be perfect for analysis.

Everything depends on the quality of the photos so it's very important that we resolve this before the procedure, or else we could repeat the scenario from before.

In my opinion, I'd even be willing to chip in and pay to get a professional photographer from Masstricht, if possible, to take some photos of the small areas.

[cocacola]

wow thats a quality picture! you can see everything

[Arashi]

Best thing would of course for somebody with good photographic experience, like Hellouser, to witness the whole thing and take photo's himself. But AFAIK he doesn't live in the Netherlands unfortunately.

But again, if anybody feels like witnessing the surgery and take photo's, just let me know, Kristel already told me that it would be fine to have somebody present.

[Arashi]

The quality is excellent but do you think they'll be able to take a picture that covers the entire 50-graft monitored donor area?

Also, in this case, I think you have to take one zoomed-out photo to prove that the area does correspond with the test patient's donor.

No I don't think they'll be able to monitor the whole donor area in just one shot. I agree they'd need to take some pictures with a normal camera as well, but we know that that quality won't be too high ...

[JJJJrS]

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/12749744.jpg

The quality is excellent but do you think they'll be able to take a picture that covers the entire 50-graft monitored donor area?

Also, in this case, I think you have to take one zoomed-out photo to prove that the area does correspond with the test patient's donor.

[Arashi]

Do you have a link to these pictures? Sorry, but there's been so many pictures in this thread that it's been a little hard to keep track of everything.

http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/12749744/img/12749744.jpg

[JJJJrS]

What they said they will do this time is tattoo the donor (temp tattoo) and then shoot the microscopic kind of pictures that I've posted before.

Do you have a link to these pictures? Sorry, but there's been so many pictures in this thread that it's been a little hard to keep track of everything.