The 50 Graft Test Procedure

[JJJJrS]

Offtopic: Ironman check the Dr NIgams thread, you'll die laughing

There's also some suspicious photos on Hairsite too...

But let's keep the topic on the 50 graft test

[JJJJrS]

For sure mate. They have microscopic photo's, their own photo's, the photo's shot by the professional photographer and they had a video crew recording it. So tons of material this time and most of it shot by professionals with pro equipment

Great news! I think this time, we won't have much to worry about. HASCI took the test very seriously and even the 3 photos you've posted in this thread are a huge improvement and more than suitable for an analysis. I'm excited to see the other photos now too.

If they extracted 12 triples instead of 2 and took a picture of the petri dish, than things would be perfect. Hopefully the photographers aren't away for too long on vacation . In 2 weeks, we can already start analyzing the donor and just that alone should tell us a lot.

[Arashi]

Offtopic: Ironman check the Dr NIgams thread, you'll die laughing

[534623]

Maybe I'm missing something but is that important ? It's just about how many hairs were sacrificed in donor in order to get how many hairs in recipient, isn't it ? Maybe it's interesting to better understand the process but from a resource point of view (or regular client point of view), it doesn't matter. Most clients, including me, just want to know how many hairs will be lost in donor to get how many hairs in recipient.

Actually, as long as you can see completely the same situation in the donor area 2-3 weeks after extractions as in the BEFORE photo (exactly the same number of visible hairs within EVERY extraction hole etc) - everything what you can see growing in the recipient area(s) after 9-12 month would be THE GAIN/PROFIT!

That would be the simplest form of calculation.

[Arashi]

Actually, it doesn't matter what SHE counted, because to VERIFY everything (including her counting), we need a CRYSTAL CLEAR BEFORE PHOTO anyhow ...

Exactly. And she surely understood that and that's probably the reason they hired a professional photographer this time. She did mail me though that this photographer is going on a holiday this monday so she hoped he could deliver the photo's before monday, otherwise we'd have to wait. And I'm not good at that, dying to see the photo's

I simply can't distinguish between "unsuitable grafts" (failed extraction sites) and usable grafts extraction sites.

Maybe I'm missing something but is that important ? It's just about how many hairs were sacrificed in donor in order to get how many hairs in recipient, isn't it ? Maybe it's interesting to better understand the process but from a resource point of view (or regular client point of view), it doesn't matter. Most clients, including me, just want to know how many hairs will be lost in donor to get how many hairs in recipient.

So the question is - Are these 4 "black dots" I can see tattoos? I'm not 100% sure ...

I'm pretty sure they are. She said before the test that they would place temp tattoo's and in her last mail she indeed said they 'marked' the area.

[534623]

She said she needed to drill 75x times to get the 51 grafts. She indeed talked about 24 disapproved grafts, so that makes sense. Most logical explanation is that she indeed mistyped 12 as 2. And it would also answer your question why there were so few triplets while this guy clearly has enough triplets AND seems to have quite normal hair (not extremely thick as James has)

Actually, it doesn't matter what SHE counted, because to VERIFY everything (including her counting), we need a CRYSTAL CLEAR BEFORE PHOTO anyhow ...

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12803121/img/Picture-Box/127980676.jpg

... from this test area.
But doing this with photos is also "tricky", because as a viewer, I simply can't distinguish between "unsuitable grafts" (failed extraction sites) and usable grafts extraction sites.

By the way ...

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12803121/img/Picture-Box/127980676.jpg

... in this photo I can see 4 black dots which create (in mind) a square - 4 black dots, similar as Dr. Gho made them for his HST study. So the question is - Are these 4 "black dots" I can see tattoos? I'm not 100% sure ...

[Arashi]

Sorry, but something is wrong here anyhow, because how do you calculate and explain the "24 ‘afgekeurde’ stukjes grafts"??

She said she needed to drill 75x times to get the 51 grafts. She indeed talked about 24 disapproved grafts, so that makes sense. Most logical explanation is that she indeed mistyped 12 as 2. And it would also answer your question why there were so few triplets while this guy clearly has enough triplets AND seems to have quite normal hair (not extremely thick hair like James has). And Didi claimed HASCI can't do triplets, so that makes sense too (since Didi is almost always wrong about pretty much everything and therefore serves quite well as a contra-indicator, hehe)

[534623]

Not sure if this is an attempt to be funny, but I used the numbers she gave me (without realizing they indeed only add up to 41 but you obviously didn't either)

Sorry, but something is wrong here anyhow, because how do you calculate and explain the "24 ‘afgekeurde’ stukjes grafts"??

By the way, Kristel also wrote that she had to drill 75x to get these 51 grafts. She wrote in Dutch " ook de 24 ‘afgekeurde’ stukjes grafts hebben we op een apart stukje gezet" I'm not really sure how to translate because I don't really know what she meant here but best translation probably would be something like "and also the 24 'disapproved' pieces of grafts we placed in a seperate section". Not sure what she means here...

The only explanation would be, that she meant indeed 12 triplets instead of "2".

[Arashi]

Maybe Arashi translated just the numbers wrong?

"23" means in Dutch perhaps "32" and "16" means in Dutch perhaps "61" or so. lol

I think we should engage someone who speaks perfectly Dutch - and English.

Not sure if this is an attempt to be funny, but I used the numbers she gave me (without realizing they indeed only add up to 41 but you obviously didn't either)

[534623]

Hate to be a pain or state the obvious here, but 23 + 16 + 2 doesn't equal 51... It equals 41...

Do you mean 12 triplets? Or maybe 26 doubles?

Maybe Arashi translated just the numbers wrong?

"23" means in Dutch perhaps "32" and "16" means in Dutch perhaps "61" or so. lol

I think we should engage someone who speaks perfectly Dutch - and English.

[c5000]

LOL. Let's hope she meant 12 triplets indeed. That would finally proof that Didi was wrong all along (as usual).

Yeah, fingers crossed mate.

Hopefully we can all get the answers we're looking for and get our next procedures without any lingering doubt!!

[Arashi]

Hate to be a pain or state the obvious here, but 23 + 16 + 2 doesn't equal 51... It equals 41...

Do you mean 12 triplets? Or maybe 26 doubles?

LOL. Let's hope she meant 12 triplets indeed. That would finally proof that Didi was wrong all along (as usual).

[c5000]

Ok. Surgery took place wednesday as planned. 51 grafts were taken, 23 singles, 16 doubles and 2 triplets. This time microscopic photo's were made, there was also a camera crew present who made video's AND a professional photographer was present who shot photo's too. Obviously HASCI wanted to get it right time Kristel asked me to come by on day 2 but it was difficult for me due a very busy time with travelling etc so I missed that, but they've shot photo's of day 2 as well.

Everything will be delivered to them on a DVD and once they have it I'll get the material too and post it here.

Hate to be a pain or state the obvious here, but 23 + 16 + 2 doesn't equal 51... It equals 41...

Do you mean 12 triplets? Or maybe 26 doubles?

[534623]

By the way, Kristel also wrote that she had to drill 75x to get these 51 grafts.

http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/12803121/img/Picture-Box/127980676.jpg

I count 76.

[534623]

By the way, Kristel also wrote that she had to drill 75x to get these 51 grafts. She wrote in Dutch " ook de 24 ‘afgekeurde’ stukjes grafts hebben we op een apart stukje gezet" I'm not really sure how to translate because I don't really know what she meant here ...

No - I think she means with "24 ‘afgekeurde’ stukjes grafts" the 23 "single follicle grafts" which look like all those grafts ...

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/12643640/img/12643640.jpg

...which you can see in JamesBold's dish in section "1".

In section "1" I can see lots of "afgekeurde stukjes grafts".

Furthermore, I think she meant with "op een apart stukje gezet", that they implanted these "section 1 grafts" NOT into the scar (the scar in the photo doesn't have 51 graft implantations!!); instead of, they placed these "special grafts" somewhere else - but not into the scar.