KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[Jcm800]

Thanks Julio, really appreciate your efforts, but yes, seems to me reduction of DHT should be occurring with Keratene as well, whichever way its measured, seems they are trying to deflect the truth here?

[Dan26]

friends,

I contacted the company and received a return of information. I honestly do not believe my result has not change the method of examination, since the same method was used for the Saw Palmetto for example, and showed variation. I have also used this same method above for Finasteride and also grew, but whatever.

Do not want to take away the hope of those who bought the Kératene, but I think very valid tests were performed to determine if the product is working or not, otherwise baldness will continue to progress and reach a point that may not be able to reverse this case and you wasted time, money and your hair. Here is the company's response:

Julio: Hello *****
I am sending herewith the table that make tracking my results. The Kératene was not effective, no change in DHT after 26 days of use.

I would like if possible to know what you think of it.

Thank you.

Company:Hi Julio,
thank you so much for the results, we received the values.
The medical team and our support team is currently on vacation till July 15.
In order to analyze the issue, we need more details about the procedure.
From the attachment I can not see which test method was used for your tests.
What did they use? RIA, EIA, ELISA, LCTMS?
Also, please let me know, if prior tot the test, if you had any sorts of nuts, supplements, soy products, pumpkin seeds or any form of medication.
Many thanks.

Julio: Hello

The method used was the ELISA.

Yes, before you start using Kératene I consumed soy milk, but one month before starting the capsules Kératene, I aborted the consumption of milk. I think this may have influenced in an increase in testosterone, but do not understand why did not reduce DHT absolutely nothing, in fact, even increased slightly. All this history exams DHT were made with the same method in the same time and in the same laboratory, total competence.

Thank you.

Julio

Company: see,
ELISA explains partially the problem with the results.
ELISA has a very high technical and procedural bias.
We tried it once and quit it immediately due to the large variation between two tests under controlled situation.
We recommend using RIA (radioimmunoassay) or – much better – LCTMS (liquid chromatoscopy tandem mass spectometry).
These 2 methods are much more reliable than EIA or ELISA and the accuracy of the results is far greater.
Also, please do not consume any vegetable sterols (nuts, seeds of any sorts and also no soy products of any sort) with at least 7 days prior to the collection of the blood.
These foods/substances are known to affect the relation between various endocrine factors and DHT.
Anyway, we’ll send you another product, from a more recent batch, with a slightly more stable formula, after July 15.
My request is however that if you want to retest the values, please look for a lab that runs RIA or LCTMS, not ELISA.

I will not conduct further tests because it does not make sense to me. Reduction of DHT is reduced DHT, no matter the method. If this reduction occurs using Finasteride in method X, it should occur using the method Kératene X too.

Anyway, just found it interesting to pass this information to friends here.

Very interesting Julio, thanks for posting all of this!
When you did DHT tests prior to and while taking fin, how much did your DHT decrease?

[ryan555]

friends,

I contacted the company and received a return of information. I honestly do not believe my result has not change the method of examination, since the same method was used for the Saw Palmetto for example, and showed variation. I have also used this same method above for Finasteride and also grew, but whatever.

Do not want to take away the hope of those who bought the Kératene, but I think very valid tests were performed to determine if the product is working or not, otherwise baldness will continue to progress and reach a point that may not be able to reverse this case and you wasted time, money and your hair. Here is the company's response:

Julio: Hello *****
I am sending herewith the table that make tracking my results. The Kératene was not effective, no change in DHT after 26 days of use.

I would like if possible to know what you think of it.

Thank you.

Company:Hi Julio,
thank you so much for the results, we received the values.
The medical team and our support team is currently on vacation till July 15.
In order to analyze the issue, we need more details about the procedure.
From the attachment I can not see which test method was used for your tests.
What did they use? RIA, EIA, ELISA, LCTMS?
Also, please let me know, if prior tot the test, if you had any sorts of nuts, supplements, soy products, pumpkin seeds or any form of medication.
Many thanks.

Julio: Hello

The method used was the ELISA.

Yes, before you start using Kératene I consumed soy milk, but one month before starting the capsules Kératene, I aborted the consumption of milk. I think this may have influenced in an increase in testosterone, but do not understand why did not reduce DHT absolutely nothing, in fact, even increased slightly. All this history exams DHT were made with the same method in the same time and in the same laboratory, total competence.

Thank you.

Julio

Company: see,
ELISA explains partially the problem with the results.
ELISA has a very high technical and procedural bias.
We tried it once and quit it immediately due to the large variation between two tests under controlled situation.
We recommend using RIA (radioimmunoassay) or – much better – LCTMS (liquid chromatoscopy tandem mass spectometry).
These 2 methods are much more reliable than EIA or ELISA and the accuracy of the results is far greater.
Also, please do not consume any vegetable sterols (nuts, seeds of any sorts and also no soy products of any sort) with at least 7 days prior to the collection of the blood.
These foods/substances are known to affect the relation between various endocrine factors and DHT.
Anyway, we’ll send you another product, from a more recent batch, with a slightly more stable formula, after July 15.
My request is however that if you want to retest the values, please look for a lab that runs RIA or LCTMS, not ELISA.

I will not conduct further tests because it does not make sense to me. Reduction of DHT is reduced DHT, no matter the method. If this reduction occurs using Finasteride in method X, it should occur using the method Kératene X too.

Anyway, just found it interesting to pass this information to friends here.

Julio, did you say your DHT went up on finasteride as well?

[JulioGP]

friends,

I contacted the company and received a return of information. I honestly do not believe my result has not change the method of examination, since the same method was used for the Saw Palmetto for example, and showed variation. I have also used this same method above for Finasteride and also grew, but whatever.

Do not want to take away the hope of those who bought the Kératene, but I think very valid tests were performed to determine if the product is working or not, otherwise baldness will continue to progress and reach a point that may not be able to reverse this case and you wasted time, money and your hair. Here is the company's response:

Julio: Hello *****
I am sending herewith the table that make tracking my results. The Kératene was not effective, no change in DHT after 26 days of use.

I would like if possible to know what you think of it.

Thank you.

Company:Hi Julio,
thank you so much for the results, we received the values.
The medical team and our support team is currently on vacation till July 15.
In order to analyze the issue, we need more details about the procedure.
From the attachment I can not see which test method was used for your tests.
What did they use? RIA, EIA, ELISA, LCTMS?
Also, please let me know, if prior tot the test, if you had any sorts of nuts, supplements, soy products, pumpkin seeds or any form of medication.
Many thanks.

Julio: Hello

The method used was the ELISA.

Yes, before you start using Kératene I consumed soy milk, but one month before starting the capsules Kératene, I aborted the consumption of milk. I think this may have influenced in an increase in testosterone, but do not understand why did not reduce DHT absolutely nothing, in fact, even increased slightly. All this history exams DHT were made with the same method in the same time and in the same laboratory, total competence.

Thank you.

Julio

Company: see,
ELISA explains partially the problem with the results.
ELISA has a very high technical and procedural bias.
We tried it once and quit it immediately due to the large variation between two tests under controlled situation.
We recommend using RIA (radioimmunoassay) or – much better – LCTMS (liquid chromatoscopy tandem mass spectometry).
These 2 methods are much more reliable than EIA or ELISA and the accuracy of the results is far greater.
Also, please do not consume any vegetable sterols (nuts, seeds of any sorts and also no soy products of any sort) with at least 7 days prior to the collection of the blood.
These foods/substances are known to affect the relation between various endocrine factors and DHT.
Anyway, we’ll send you another product, from a more recent batch, with a slightly more stable formula, after July 15.
My request is however that if you want to retest the values, please look for a lab that runs RIA or LCTMS, not ELISA.

I will not conduct further tests because it does not make sense to me. Reduction of DHT is reduced DHT, no matter the method. If this reduction occurs using Finasteride in method X, it should occur using the method Kératene X too.

Anyway, just found it interesting to pass this information to friends here.

[Dan26]

How many people have posted pre and post DHT levels when going on this stuff?

If it truly has DHT lowering effects it would be a good compliment to a regimen, but since it is a smaller amount of DHT compared to fin, would not expect it to do much on its own. In a combo with RU and/or minox, could be useful.

[Jcm800]

Well, thats my first day taking this stuff x2 - i feel no different at all, complete opposite of Cob when he takes it, ok it's only one day, but two capsules and zero difference in myself, so far anyway.

[Jcm800]

Fair comment, that'd kill me at 21 mate, I have had my youth it's true, but it still hurts at my age, you'll see one day

[clandestine]

Fck I'm miserable, another workmate noticed my crown is balding today. Wish I had the balls to try Fin and quit wasting time on scams.

Bud, Im 21 and my (female) coworker said I was balding yesterday. Be happy you've had your youth, Christ.

[Jcm800]

Fck I'm miserable, another workmate noticed my crown is balding today. Wish I had the balls to try Fin and quit wasting time on scams.

[clandestine]

True. You should keep a log. Start with baseline photos, top middle back, etc.

[Cob984]

KB

[clandestine]

Nice. What vehicle are you using?

[Cob984]

Yes

[clandestine]

You've bought CB from Kane?

[Cob984]

I tried CB 1% yesterday, wow i dont know how i made it through the day, got the occasional chest palpitations and felt like i had just snorted a ball of blow, somehow i managed to fall asleep at night,

Tried CB 0.5% today and a bit better, though i can still feel the weirdness,
I will try to take 20 mg in total during a week and report, since i believe in the cosmo stuff 50 mg once a week works as well or something like that , lets see.

Also ordered indo+chromo as well as ramatroban today from IDRag


I dont think im trying keratene again - inspite of all the sides on these new products, it feels so much better not being tired and unalert all day, i actually get stuff done at work now, plus im not putting on tons of weight for no reason so that helps as well.