KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[ovoxo]

I'm using Keratene since march, and starting to lose faith cause I still itch a hair gets thinner...I'm taking 2 pills a day, no side effects

[Dan26]

Thing is Dan26 - i dont think ryan is going to see a change, same a Julio - i'm prepping myself for a let down here, I hope i'm totally wrong, but it seems like a well thought out elaborate scam to me..

I agree man. Things do not add up. IMO it either does not decrease DHT, or it does, but sides are still a possibility and other hormones will be affected.

One thing to note is the guys in their trials had DHT well above the normal range. So by using keratene and bringing DHT into healthy range, I could understand the instances for sides being lower. BUT, still, no change in testosterone or free testosterone?? Doesn't make sense...I really wish they would have included estrogen in their too, and cant help but question why they did not.

Ah well, we should find out soon with Ryans tests resilts. If him and Julio both have no change in DHT, we'll know whats up lol.

[Jcm800]

Nice man. Btw, when you took fin, did you get sides? If so, how severe?

If your DHT levels are lowered by Keratene, then I'd be convinced it is worth taking for those who either 1) Can't tolerate fin 2) Want to see how their body reacts to lowering DHT before jumping on fin (but obviously if hair is maintained they wouldn't need to hop on fin)

Thing is Dan26 - i dont think ryan is going to see a change, same a Julio - i'm prepping myself for a let down here, I hope i'm totally wrong, but it seems like a well thought out elaborate scam to me..

[Dan26]

I'm just getting DHT this time. I know exactly where my testosterone is in general so if I have any sides down the road ill test it.

Nice man. Btw, when you took fin, did you get sides? If so, how severe?

If your DHT levels are lowered by Keratene, then I'd be convinced it is worth taking for those who either 1) Can't tolerate fin 2) Want to see how their body reacts to lowering DHT before jumping on fin (but obviously if hair is maintained they wouldn't need to hop on fin)

[ryan555]

Awesome dude. Are you just getting DHT tested, or Test/FreeTest anything like that?

Hopefully it does drop your DHT, but if you dont get the other tests done we still wont know if the company claims are true. Although, if you had sides on fin, and none on this, and it shows DHT reduced, that is a great sign

Good luck brother, and thanks again for doing this.

I'm just getting DHT this time. I know exactly where my testosterone is in general so if I have any sides down the road ill test it.

[ryan555]

Thanks ryan - this is really great. Do you know which method your lab had used /going to use for determining the DHT levels i.e ELISA, RIA or LCTMS?

I honestly don't know, but I don't believe it matters. EVERY SINGLE subject in their trial had a very significant drop in DHT after 12 days. Even if the other tests are only "80% accurate" as they claim, they should still pick up a drop as significant as what they reported.

[ajays]

Thanks ryan - this is really great. Do you know which method your lab had used /going to use for determining the DHT levels i.e ELISA, RIA or LCTMS?

[Dan26]

Awesome dude. Are you just getting DHT tested, or Test/FreeTest anything like that?

Hopefully it does drop your DHT, but if you dont get the other tests done we still wont know if the company claims are true. Although, if you had sides on fin, and none on this, and it shows DHT reduced, that is a great sign

Good luck brother, and thanks again for doing this.

[Jcm800]

Thanks ryan, much appreciated, this treatments fate as far as I'm concerned rests on your results,thanks once again.

[ryan555]

Update - I've been taking two capsules a day exactly as directed and I ordered my blood test for Friday morning. So far I am not experiencing any side effects to speak of, and I have a neurological condition that makes me hypersensitive to many drugs and supplements. I will test at exactly the same time as my pre-keratene test was done. It usually takes a few days to get the results so we should know something by the middle of next week. I am not going to accept any bs about the type of test I am having either (as Julio was told by the company). I have had this test done by the same lab multiple times and it has shown a highly stable DHT level over the past 3+ years, and a significant drop when I was on finasteride.

[JulioGP]

Dan26,

I'm sorry if I interpreted you wrong, thanks for the confidence.

ryan555,

Very nice of you to be doing exams too, am anxious for the outcome!

I agree with you that the results may vary depending on the time that makes the examination and who takes this medication. When I wore Fina, always took the night and did blood tests in the morning, between 7 and 8am. Currently the Kératene, after the first week, he always took 1 capsule at night before bed and performed blood tests at the same time of the season when I realized wore Fina, between 7 and 8am. If the half life of the drug is 12 hours, performed at the time this test was still within the period of effectiveness of the product.

Even so, if there was a real decrease of DHT, it would not return so quickly to their normal levels, it would take at least a few days. Know the mechanisms of action are different from Fina, but Fina has shown in clinical studies after administration of 1mg, DHT blood decreases almost 70% and stays there for almost one week until proving that there would be no need for take 1 tablet every day as many do.

But back to Kératene, even with a different mechanism of action, both DHT and testosterone would take some time to return to their original levels, anyway.

ryan555, I did the test after 26 days of use, but the product says it effective for reducing DHT occurs in 12 days, at least that is what was shown in the tests, see below:


Finally,

I received a reply a bit different company now, saying that the accuracy of the ELISA test is 80%. To me this means that even if there was a reduction, the ELISA could measure without problems, but still think this is not an excuse relevant for the company, since this same test repeatedly identified a reduction DHT used at the time Fina. See the full answer.

"Indeed, I understand your observation, the results themselves are not per se challenged.
The values are.
The objection to ELISA refers strictly to the fact that ELISA provides accuracy of about 80%.
In other words, if the results says 1000, the real value can be anywhere between 800 and 1200.
The ELISA method (you can learn more about the differences between these methods on reports of medical research facilities)
was developed and used since the 80’s. Since then RIA was developed and recently, since the past decade, LCTMS.
LCTMS is the golden standard for measuring in a precise way, such small amounts of substances, such as DHT.
Any of the information above can be verified and checked, no matter what you believe personally.
Our recommendation was, for the sake of accuracy, to use at least RIA – or LCTMS, if possible, as these methods are far more accurate.
What you decide on your side, if completely up to you, of course.

King regards,
KERATENE Product Specialist
www.keratene.com"


Hugs.

[Jcm800]

Cob, how long does it take for sides to kick in for you when you take a capsule? I'm just trying to understand what's happening. Maybe I haven't been on it long enough for them to manifest?

[Jcm800]

Jeez, that's bizzare. Even stranger are the results Julio got from his blood work. You get bad sides, his DHT hasn't lowered, and I eat them like candy, what's going on?!

[Cob984]

Yes 100%, it gave me worse sides than anything iv tried before apart from fin obv
I could barely survive 1/day

I am on RU now and more than half the sides are gone

[Jcm800]

Jcm, im quite sure if u can tolerate 2/day with no issues at all, ur good to go with fin

I did wonder cob, are you convinced this stuff gives you sides dude? I'm knocking two back daily like they're sweets, no ill effects whatsoever dude.