KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[Jcm800]

10 days on Kératene.

So far no side effects or fatigue or anything. Continue with 1 capsule, only started taking evening by practicality, because my work is not very easy to take capsules.

Anxious to do the blood test at 15 days.

Thanks man, looking forward to seeing how your bloods come out, hopefully some differences will be observed.

[JulioGP]

10 days on Kératene.

So far no side effects or fatigue or anything. Continue with 1 capsule, only started taking evening by practicality, because my work is not very easy to take capsules.

Anxious to do the blood test at 15 days.

[Jcm800]

Gyno/puffy nipples/excess chest fat/some side fat.

I could deal with a lower libido somewhat, especially since studies show fin side effects do tend to dissipate over time sometimes, but gyno is one of the few sides that just gets worse unforunately.

My experience was anecdotal, while my hair has for a fact gotten worse on KAr, the true test to see whether the product does what it says is blood tests and that's why I'm eager to see some of those (we have a couple guys here who have gotten preliminary tests done I believe, so hopefully those are updated in the next month)

Damn sides. Yeah gyno is one I'd fear too, keep contemplating fin, but it is such a gamble.

I'm keenly awaiting the blood results of those intrepid users as well, I'm really grateful - they'll help me decide whether to order or not and many others.

[Californication]

Gyno/puffy nipples/excess chest fat/some side fat.

I could deal with a lower libido somewhat, especially since studies show fin side effects do tend to dissipate over time sometimes, but gyno is one of the few sides that just gets worse unforunately.

My experience was anecdotal, while my hair has for a fact gotten worse on KAr, the true test to see whether the product does what it says is blood tests and that's why I'm eager to see some of those (we have a couple guys here who have gotten preliminary tests done I believe, so hopefully those are updated in the next month)

[jo5555]

Hey guys,

I've been a BTT 'passive' member for a while and decided it's time to share my KaR experience ;-) Currently, I'm only using KaR (never used minox, propecia, fin, ...etc). I did try the new product from Loreal when it was release which brought some density but after a month off it was a disaster... Also tried lots of natural stuff but nothing really worked so I decided to give KaR a shot.

I'm taking it (1caps/day) since 3 months (started more or less at the same time as HARIRI) and so far the only good side is my scalp doesn't itch anymore. Also, my hair loss is pretty stable since two weeks.

I'd a massive shedding from 3 weeks after I started till maybe one or 2 weeks ago so I hope I will get back what I've lost the last months... I will definitely continue for 3 more months to see how it goes.

Beside the fatigue during the 1st month, I've absolutely no sides.

Cheers

[Jcm800]

Thanks for your update Californication, fingers crossed that this stuff kicks in soon for you. It's a shame about your bloods. Obvious answer to my next Q no doubt, but why did you quit fin? Sounds like it was doing the trick hair wise? Thanks.

[Californication]

Doke - how's this stuff for you mate? You must have been on it a couple of month's now? What's happening dude??

HARIRI - how are you finding things as well please?

I've also been on this since April 1st pretty much, mostly on 2 capsules a day. I was on fin until first week of March where I tapered off.

Hair was doing great on fin. Seemed fine immediately after for a while, but then of course, the shedding started as expected. Hopped on Keratene, shedding continued at what seems like the same rate to me, tons of shedding mainly when I sleep/shower/apply rogaine foam.

Hair has gotten considerably worse in the crown area and weaker points across the hairline that were barely noticeable on fin are now pretty apparent to me. So yeah, anecedotally I would say this has not worked. I attempted to get a blood test before getting on it, but doctor ordered the wrong one. Got another blood test last week and doctor is trying to find a place that tests DHT to get some results. I might get off it after my supply runs out at the end of this month, get another blood test, and reassess.

But my experience, unfortunately, has not been a very good one as of yet.

[Jcm800]

Doke - how's this stuff for you mate? You must have been on it a couple of month's now? What's happening dude??

HARIRI - how are you finding things as well please?

[JulioGP]

In my opinion it is prudent to initiate Kératene with just one capsule a day and check the blood tests. Start with 2 capsules already sounds absurd, like a person who never took Finasteride instead of starting with 1mg, already start with 5mg.

Of course everyone does that fit with your own body.

In the tests shown by the manufacturer, with 2 capsules a day many patients had reduction of about 75% DHT. If I were to consider this reduction to my current DHT, would:
clean base of 723 to 180 would be DHT DHT (extremely low)
last base still with Saw Palmetto. 908 of 227 in DHT would be (still low)

Californication, in my opinion it is not only REDUCE the DHT, but keep it in a safe range. Download extremely DHT would worry more about the hair than with the health (of course that many only care about the hair, but it is not my case). There are people who want to lower your DHT to 100, that to me is the same as sexual castration. What good is trying to bring the hair back and not have sex life? No, thank you.

The Kératene went further and even suggests an ideal range to keep the DHT. So I'll do the test with only 1 capsule and reduce to a level that I would consider acceptable, ie, somewhere between this range of 350 and 750.

That's all we're talking about standard follicle sensitivity to DHT. Each individual has a different sensibility, because if not it could be said that every individual who has hair, has a low DHT and this is not true.

If you check the subjects studied by the manufacturer will see that they were all bald. Seeing this way, I believe the Kératene was based on a pattern of follicular sensitivity those bald guys that were studied.

[UK_]

Replicel have already gained a major investor/distribution channel - we might be on for a 2015 release afterall!!!!

(Dont know why im posting this here).

[AAsuited]

For your body, yes. I was talking about for hair.

"'safe range of DHT' as Keratene advertises isn't really known"

Sorry buddy, you was NOT just talking about hair, at least you didn't write this way.... you made an affirmation that's WRONG, in medicine we have parameters, the 'safe range of DHT' that their are talking about is already very well defined, if you go to a lab and get your DHT tested, in your exam will appear your DHT rate and the normal baseline that their consider, that, like I said, varies a little bit from place to place, but even with little variations it's well defined, unlike you said.

About "the lower the better", it's parcially truth.You also have to consider androgenetic receptors, sensibility, etc. But, to get things simples lower DHT levels generally gets better results, but firstly, you have to know your normal DHT without medication, if you have DHT levels of 1950 pg/ml, it's very clear that if you reaches 600 pg/ml you will probably have good results, but, if you already have a normal DHT like 750 pg/ml and showing AA(MLA), You will probable have to consider other factors and will want to get lower levels them the 600 pg/ml of the first case.....
But, whatever is your "normal" DHT level, stay in the biologically normal DHT level/range, wathever oral DHT reducer (Kératene,fina,duta) you are using is important....The difference is that Kératene is explaining this in their studies, making effort to adjust posology to each individual, what is a basic thing when you are putting in the market a product that deal with hormone levels....Merck just said "wathever is your age or situation, take 1mg of finasteride, be happy, and not bad will happen, don't worry" :-)

[Californication]

Mostly yes, I'm in their range, and if you see, they only recommend 2 capsules in very high DHT levels, more 1673 pg/ml!!! Besides that, I wan't to check the effects and results with one capsule, and, considering it's a new product, if i get the results with one capsule, there's no meaning upgrading to two.

The safe range Californication, it's not from Kératene, but from medicine man!!!
DHT is an important hormone, it does have some important rules in your body, so, the point is not to get to totally zero level, but to reduce enough to get the benefits without risk your overall wealth (just to give you some dates, it varies from country to country, but minimal levels of DHT around 250 pg/ml are +/- the recommend)

For your body, yes. I was talking about for hair.

[AAsuited]

^Curious as to why you chose 1 capsule a day? Is it because it falls in the range where they suggest 1 capsule a day? In the studies, they used two capsules.

Also, JulioGP, in my experience, the 'safe range of DHT' as Keratene advertises isn't really known. The lower the better for hair loss, but just because you're in their range, doesn't mean you're all right.

Mostly yes, I'm in their range, and if you see, they only recommend 2 capsules in very high DHT levels, more 1673 pg/ml!!! Besides that, I wan't to check the effects and results with one capsule, and, considering it's a new product, if i get the results with one capsule, there's no meaning upgrading to two.

The safe range Californication, it's not from Kératene, but from medicine man!!!
DHT is an important hormone, it does have some important rules in your body, so, the point is not to get to totally zero level, but to reduce enough to get the benefits without risk your overall wealth (just to give you some dates, it varies from country to country, but minimal levels of DHT around 250 pg/ml are +/- the recommend)

[Californication]

^Curious as to why you chose 1 capsule a day? Is it because it falls in the range where they suggest 1 capsule a day? In the studies, they used two capsules.

Also, JulioGP, in my experience, the 'safe range of DHT' as Keratene advertises isn't really known. The lower the better for hair loss, but just because you're in their range, doesn't mean you're all right.

[AAsuited]

Just upgrading, Yesterday I run VERY complete "clean"(not taking anything) blood tests and today I started the treatment.Will take Kératene 1 cap/day and run new blood tests in one month to see the results.

This is the ONLY way to check any changes in little time, since like any oral product that acts reducing serical DHT (like fina/duta), it take months to see visible results.And not just for that, but for several reasons, I reinforce the recommendation of the blood tests before/after treatment for everyone!

And agree with Julio, let's see the blood results in some time, if it is at least close to the studies, without the bag of S*** that comes with the fina results, it's a new era :-)