KÉRATENE Alphactive ® Retard

[Cob984]

Jcm, im quite sure if u can tolerate 2/day with no issues at all, ur good to go with fin

[Jcm800]

Yes, thanks to everyone involved here, I'll carry on taking my two until ryan has his results, will be interesting!

[Dan26]

Thanks for doing this Julio, and Ryan! Will be very interested to see your results.

[ryan555]

Julio, thanks for posting your results. As I see it, there are three possibilities.

1) You are a statistical anomaly (unlikely since you responded to fin)

2) your tests are skewed since you took the pills at night and had the test in the AM. DHT and testosterone levels are significantly higher in the morning and if the half life of this stuff is really short, I could see how it would be possible to resume a normal DHT level the morning after you took the pill. I think they do recommend taking the pills in the morning if you're only taking one dose.

3) this is a scam

We shall see when my results are in...

[ryan555]

ryan,

That's great ! But would 1 week be enough time for the product results to show up in the blood test. I am no doctor but in my humble opinion you should probably try 2x/day for 2 weeks or so and then do a blood test.

I believe that they showed results in the clinical trials at seven days. In fact, I think they recommend getting a blood test after seven days. I know the Univ. of Gent study was 1 pill a day for 7 days and every male subject showed a drop in DHT after that time period.

[ajays]

ryan,

That's great ! But would 1 week be enough time for the product results to show up in the blood test. I am no doctor but in my humble opinion you should probably try 2x/day for 2 weeks or so and then do a blood test.

I just started the pills two days ago. I may increase to twice a day and I will get my blood drawn Friday morning. I should have the results by next week. I am taking a different test than Julio. My clean DHT level was 50 on a scale of 30-85. Using the same test, my DHT level was 12 while on finasteride. If this doesn't show a noticeable drop, I am calling this a scam.

[ryan555]

I just started the pills two days ago. I may increase to twice a day and I will get my blood drawn Friday morning. I should have the results by next week. I am taking a different test than Julio. My clean DHT level was 50 on a scale of 30-85. Using the same test, my DHT level was 12 while on finasteride. If this doesn't show a noticeable drop, I am calling this a scam.

[Dan26]

Well, as I said before, I have no intention to promote or denigrate any product here. Honestly, do not waste my time for this. I do not think that is an anomaly, because I had a reduction in DHT with Fina, before stopping because of side effects. Suspect? Everyone has the right to judge my story as you wish. I hope whoever is testing the product take many precautions as I took so many tests and do as I did, not to come to an opinion without some foundation, just because you think "this" or "that." There is another way to evaluate a product like this, only with a protocol blood tests as I did. Dan, if you are also testing the Kératene, I hope you get the blood tests, it will be the only way to have any credibility in opinions about the product and its operation and perhaps discuss about the tests.

Your efforts are appreciated bro, and I wasn't trying to say anythign against you, but rather against the product. To be honest I would be shocked if peoples bloodtests before and while on keratene are in line with the clinical results!

I wish the companies claims were true.

[JulioGP]

Unnecessary to do so, but by friends who are testing the product, here's my credibility:

Before Kératene:




After Kératene:


Are exactly the tests, as it is in the table placed for easy viewing. I will not waste time in discussing the credibility of my exams, each has the choice to believe or not. Who does not want to believe, I wish luck with the results with Kératene, but do blood tests!

Honestly, I would like to see more results of blood tests here Forum users who are using the product.

[JulioGP]

Well, as I said before, I have no intention to promote or denigrate any product here. Honestly, do not waste my time for this. I do not think that is an anomaly, because I had a reduction in DHT with Fina, before stopping because of side effects. Suspect? Everyone has the right to judge my story as you wish. I hope whoever is testing the product take many precautions as I took so many tests and do as I did, not to come to an opinion without some foundation, just because you think "this" or "that." There is another way to evaluate a product like this, only with a protocol blood tests as I did. Dan, if you are also testing the Kératene, I hope you get the blood tests, it will be the only way to have any credibility in opinions about the product and its operation and perhaps discuss about the tests.

[Dan26]

Julio your case makes no sense. ELISA typically over estimates and LCTMS etc is more accurate true but their trial data shows major drop in DHT, most any lab test would be able to pick up those kind of changes. You are either an statistical anomaly or something is fishy here.

Inhibiting DHT causes a cascade effect we need a quality trusted expert to give a scientific explanation of how keratene avoids this.

Hopefully some more ppl get tests done for DHT, Free T, and Estrogen and we can see what the deal is.

[JulioGP]

Jcm800

I think what happened is strange. We have other users that will make blood tests soon (the AAsuited is one of them). The best thing to do is wait for his exams in order to draw some conclusions about the product. If tests show it to my similar result, ie no effectiveness will be demonstrated that the product does not work, at least not in reducing DHT.

About the side effects, I believe in two things. The first may be the psychological effect / placebo. The second is that in fact we do not know what are the mechanisms Kératene. There was no long-term studies and not know their reactions. Sometimes, it may take some side effects, but not necessarily reduce DHT. In theory, Kératene adheres to the 5ard molecule (chemical binding) and acts as an temporary insulator. It simply “glues” itself for several hours to 5ard and covers it so it does not transfer the atoms to T. After that, it is simply processed by the cytokine enzymes and it is “eaten away”, just like regular vegetable fat.

That is, we do not know exactly what this drug can cause in terms of side effects, even if you can not reduce the DHT, because we do not know exactly what are the chemical reactions suffered.

[StuckInARut]

What is the actual main ingredient in this product? Beta-Sitosterol?

[Jcm800]

Julio what is your instinct telling you about this product? To me, it's too good to be true, one more user blood result like yours and ill be convinced it's a con. But why does cob react so badly on one capsule, even claiming penile shrinkage, yet I've had six capsules in 3 says and feel no ill effects whatsoever?

[JulioGP]

I do not remember exactly the right number, but somewhere around 400 with Fina.

I got to talk to them when used in fine, all tests were made with this method and in the same laboratory, showing the efficiency of Fine regarding the reduction in DHT, but I'm still waiting for the answer.