Histogen at the ISHRS conference

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  • Thinning87
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 839

    Originally posted by Scientalk56
    "It is still unknown if this stimulated hair will in fact can keep growing."

    We can conclude two things:
    1. "There is big significant terminal hair regrowth"
    2. We don't know yet if the hair will keep growing.

    What's the problem of not knowing something? That what science is about - discovering things.
    Minoxidil has the ability to delay the baldness process, but no one knows for sure How it does that.

    You have two options:
    1. be a scientist and make a drug of your own for regrowing hair
    2. do nothing...

    Have a good day..
    This is what any sane person would think like.

    This 5436 guy or whatever, he just tries to get off people's nerves by starting debates and raising issues over very small technicalities. He has shown not to know much about what he's talking about, and insists on counting hairs off a bad picture as evidence of what he thinks is a conspiracy against the public on the part of Aderans and Histogen.

    It's good to be somewhat skeptic and not get excited to easily, but he goes well beyond this. He showed us a picture of his hair, in my opinion he's just really afraid that if something comes up he won't be able to benefit from the new treatments while others will.

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    • 2020
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 1513

      what do they mean by "if the hairs will keep growing". The sentence that mentioned significant terminal hair count increase already IMPLIED that there was hair growth. Density was improved. That's that. What else do they want? These people are ****ing retarded. They have no common sense. They're one of those people who will spend years and billions of dollars to create a pen that writes upside down in space when all you needed was a pencil...

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      • The Alchemist
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2011
        • 261

        Originally posted by Thinning87
        This is what any sane person would think like.

        This 5436 guy or whatever, he just tries to get off people's nerves by starting debates and raising issues over very small technicalities. He has shown not to know much about what he's talking about, and insists on counting hairs off a bad picture as evidence of what he thinks is a conspiracy against the public on the part of Aderans and Histogen..
        Yeah, that's his schtick. He's been doing it for years over at hairsite. He'll take small pieces of information clipped from a article or website and use it out of context or only put up part the part of the information that backs up whatever inane point he's trying to make. He does it to get a rise out of people and to try and come off as some kind of expert on the forums - mostl likely he's trying to assuage a very severe insecurity complex that stems from his lack of station in life. You can choose to ignore him or laugh it him, but, never take him seriously.

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        • garethbale
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2012
          • 603

          Originally posted by 2020
          what do they mean by "if the hairs will keep growing". .
          I think they are referring to growth cycles, ie will the hairs that shed be replaced by newer hairs...

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          • 2020
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2012
            • 1513

            Originally posted by garethbale
            I think they are referring to growth cycles, ie will the hairs that shed be replaced by newer hairs...
            It most likely will... Why wouldn't it? Although you will continue to bald since HSC doesn't cure baldness, it just sets back the time some. If they weren't complete idiots, they would monitor

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            • garethbale
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2012
              • 603

              Originally posted by 2020
              It most likely will... Why wouldn't it? Although you will continue to bald since HSC doesn't cure baldness, it just sets back the time some. If they weren't complete idiots, they would monitor
              Well from the video she says growth continues for about a year so this suggests it survives growth cycles. We need a preventative treatment as well so hopefully Aderans can provide this.

              Interestingly, why do you consider Histogen idiots?

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              • 2020
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 1513

                Originally posted by garethbale
                Well from the video she says growth continues for about a year so this suggests it survives growth cycles.
                similar study like this would settle it once for all:
                In a small uncontrolled study of 9 patients with AGA, an increased expression of IGF-1 messenger RNA levels in the DP was associated with patient response to finasteride.


                although I'm sure if the "pro-hair growth" variables are all increased, then the growth will in theory remain forever assuming DHT is under control.

                Originally posted by garethbale
                We need a preventative treatment as well so hopefully Aderans can provide this.
                correction: two desperate people on this forum need it. There are a gazillion treatments to maintain hair plus most people wouldn't even need to use it. You do realize that 70%+ of their customers will be women who "don't have as much hair as they used to"? If you imagine hair loss market as an army of NW7 men then you're very mistaken...

                Originally posted by garethbale
                Interestingly, why do you consider Histogen idiots?
                Histogen definitely has the right concept of how hair loss should be treated. I want them to succeed but the signs point the other way. UT San Diego and Taylor Baldwin are no ones. This is just an attempt by Histogen to appear "active" as if they're making any serious progress...

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                • 534623
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 1854

                  Originally posted by garethbale

                  Well from the video she says growth continues for about a year so this suggests it survives growth cycles.
                  Of course is SHE saying this - or can you see something other than this...

                  ... in a normal hairy and normal cycling area??

                  Just look at the number 76 on top of Histogen's photo - what can you see?
                  There are 2 single hairs. In the BEFORE photo, 1 hair is normal thick, the other hair is thinner. In the AFTER photo, the thinner hair is suddenly thicker and the thicker hair is suddenly thinner. What does it mean?

                  Anyway, such a scenario, as just described, you can see this EVERYWHERE in Histogen's "proof-photo" what actually just shows a completely normal hairy and cycling area. Furthermore, if this stuff would work so great as they claim - why DISAPPEARED so many hairs in the after photo at all??

                  And you losers still support such a -in my opinion- fraud.

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                  • re22
                    Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 35

                    I don't think you're in a very good position to call other people losers.

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                    • 534623
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 1854

                      Originally posted by re22

                      I don't think you're in a very good position to call other people losers.
                      When I read all the previous posts - hmmm, I think I can.

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                      • re22
                        Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 35

                        People here are easy targets, though. Anyone can do what you're doing.

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                        • 2020
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 1513

                          Originally posted by 534623
                          Furthermore, if this stuff would work so great as they claim - why DISAPPEARED so many hairs in the after photo at all??
                          because the photo is centered in a different place?

                          Originally posted by 534623
                          And you losers still support such a -in my opinion- fraud.
                          why would they do it? People eventually will know that it doesn't work

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                          • garethbale
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 603

                            Originally posted by 534623
                            Of course is SHE saying this - or can you see something other than this...

                            ... in a normal hairy and normal cycling area??

                            Just look at the number 76 on top of Histogen's photo - what can you see?
                            There are 2 single hairs. In the BEFORE photo, 1 hair is normal thick, the other hair is thinner. In the AFTER photo, the thinner hair is suddenly thicker and the thicker hair is suddenly thinner. What does it mean?

                            Anyway, such a scenario, as just described, you can see this EVERYWHERE in Histogen's "proof-photo" what actually just shows a completely normal hairy and cycling area. Furthermore, if this stuff would work so great as they claim - why DISAPPEARED so many hairs in the after photo at all??

                            And you losers still support such a -in my opinion- fraud.

                            Why don't you learn English before you insult people?

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                            • 534623
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 1854

                              Originally posted by garethbale

                              Why don't you learn English before you insult people?
                              What do you mean? Did I write the word 'losers' wrong?

                              By the way ...
                              ...will not happen as Spencer is not convinced about Dr Nigam claims..In his latest radio show Spencer and Joe talked about dr Nigams HM. it might happen in the future if dr nigam impoves his website, stop fotoshopping images and presents something which will have wow effect...till then its considered snake oil among


                              Why don't you learn reading English before trying to be smart??

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                              • garethbale
                                Senior Member
                                • Apr 2012
                                • 603

                                Originally posted by 534623
                                What do you mean? Did I write the word 'losers' wrong?

                                By the way ...
                                ...will not happen as Spencer is not convinced about Dr Nigam claims..In his latest radio show Spencer and Joe talked about dr Nigams HM. it might happen in the future if dr nigam impoves his website, stop fotoshopping images and presents something which will have wow effect...till then its considered snake oil among


                                Why don't you learn reading English before trying to be smart??
                                I mean this...

                                'Of course is SHE saying this - or can you see something other than this...'

                                and...

                                'Furthermore, if this stuff would work so great as they claim - why DISAPPEARED so many hairs in the after photo at all??'


                                Neither sentence makes sense.

                                In the post you linked, you tried to attribute a quote to someone who didn't say it. I then pointed this out and you have since tried tried to back track and turn it round, unsuccessfully.

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