Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[Thinning87]

What else do you propose we talk about? Judging by your posts, it seems you'd rather talk about your plans for Histogen's release when we don't even know whether it works.

If that's really what you got out of my post, I don't know how to reply. I shall repeat my thought below (see below...).

I'm not here to bring anyone down, I just would like a realistic picture of Histogen instead of wishful thinking. Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly about their results would make you so excited? There's obvious inconsistencies with every single photo they've released and this was their "best" results.

Unlike other people here I am not here to "hope". I always have hope, but like you, I'm here to keep informed.

We all know Histogen has released data that looks very promising. However, it is also true that they have bad pictures.

This means there is a chance that either one of the two following options are true:

1) They just happen to have been unprepared to take convincing pictures. As mentioned by Ziering, they are on to something and if everything goes according to plan we will have a better version of Rogaine and hopefully will be able to quit the Finasteride.

2) They failed and they are releasing false data.

Now, while it is possible that #2 is true, I can't believe that they would be so stupid to release pictures that contradict their own data... don't you think? Not to mention I don't understand what they hope to achieve if they were massively defrauding the audience... eventually people would notice... and I don't understand what the incentive for Histogen would be....

I think there is a much greater chance that they are on to something. This is not solely based on "hope", but logical reasoning. If we have two alternative options and one is less likely to be true, it follows that the other one is more likely to be true (I am so smart!!).

If option 1 is true, it doesn't mean everyone's hair will be safe in 2015 for sure. There still seems to be plenty that could go wrong.

For this reason, I remain cautiously optimistic. I'll take some Fin and keep my hair extremely short when I have to (I tried the look by cutting it 4 days ago and I have been able to accept my self very quickly, unexpectedly).

In the meantime, chill out ya'll and let's hold off until we have some more official information.

[Kiwi]

If that's really what you got out of my post, I don't know how to reply. I shall repeat my thought below (see below...).




Unlike other people here I am not here to "hope". I always have hope, but like you, I'm here to keep informed.

We all know Histogen has released data that looks very promising. However, it is also true that they have bad pictures.

This means there is a chance that either one of the two following options are true:

1) They just happen to have been unprepared to take convincing pictures. As mentioned by Ziering, they are on to something and if everything goes according to plan we will have a better version of Rogaine and hopefully will be able to quit the Finasteride.

2) They failed and they are releasing false data.

Now, while it is possible that #2 is true, I can't believe that they would be so stupid to release pictures that contradict their own data... don't you think? Not to mention I don't understand what they hope to achieve if they were massively defrauding the audience... eventually people would notice... and I don't understand what the incentive for Histogen would be....

I think there is a much greater chance that they are on to something. This is not solely based on "hope", but logical reasoning. If we have two alternative options and one is less likely to be true, it follows that the other one is more likely to be true (I am so smart!!).

If option 1 is true, it doesn't mean everyone's hair will be safe in 2015 for sure. There still seems to be plenty that could go wrong.

For this reason, I remain cautiously optimistic. I'll take some Fin and keep my hair extremely short when I have to (I tried the look by cutting it 4 days ago and I have been able to accept my self very quickly, unexpectedly).

In the meantime, chill out ya'll and let's hold off until we have some more official information.

Agreed. This particular thread is about "histogen at the conference" though.

It's not a thread for ironman to come vent his suspicions. Ironman should create his on thread for that. Then I don't have to read it.

And until he does that I'm going to keep disrupting the Gho forums.

[hellouser]

(I tried the look by cutting it 4 days ago and I have been able to accept my self very quickly, unexpectedly).

Most guys looks better with short hair anyway. Women arent keen on long hair unless you look like Brad Pitt. Not saying youre unattractive but rather implying that brad pitt is on an entirely different level compared to us mere mortals... I still rank myself a 10/10

[koolx]

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We all know Histogen has released data that looks very promising. However, it is also true that they have bad pictures.

since the pics are bad it means that histogen doesnt work.. period.

[534623]

Agreed. This particular thread is about "histogen at the conference" though.

It's not a thread for ironman to come vent his suspicions. Ironman should create his on thread for that ...

...what I actually did:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10051

...I'm going to keep disrupting the Gho forums.

Where can I find them? I'm interested.

[Scientalk56]

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...what I actually did:

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10051

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Ok, Let's assume you're 100% right, and Histogen is a fail. What's next?
What are we supposed to do?
Whether Histogen is a scam or a cure, what are we going to do with this information?
It's not like the FDA would approve them based on the photos they gave us... We (regular people) are useless at this point.
We have to wait and see.
Maybe there are many people here who are willing to go asia in case histogen release a product even without FDA approval. I'm not one of them because it can be very risky.

FDA approval process is very strict for a reason.

We are all here to keep informed, like someone here has said. I'm not going to analyze anything because it won't make a difference.

Many people here analyze stuff based on their poor knowledge in science. Posts like "lets push the FDA or Histogen to release the product earlier" is one of the posts that makes me laugh hard. Those Stuff (Clinical trails, researches) need time and effort.
They need time, money, manpower, etc.. it's not a school assignment that they have to give early. it's a clinical trail for god's sake.

[koolx]

Ok, Let's assume you're 100% right, and Histogen is a fail. What's next?
What are we supposed to do?
Whether Histogen is a scam or a cure, what are we going to do with this information?
It's not like the FDA would approve them based on the photos they gave us... We (regular people) are useless at this point.
We have to wait and see.
Maybe there are many people here who are willing to go asia in case histogen release a product even without FDA approval. I'm not one of them because it can be very risky.

FDA approval process is very strict for a reason.

We are all here to keep informed, like someone here has said. I'm not going to analyze anything because it won't make a difference.

Many people here analyze stuff based on their poor knowledge in science. Posts like "lets push the FDA or Histogen to release the product earlier" is one of the posts that makes me laugh hard. Those Stuff (Clinical trails, researches) need time and effort.
They need time, money, manpower, etc.. it's not a school assignment that they have to give early. it's a clinical trail for god's sake.

are u serious dude? wat planet are u on? there are millions of sutterers out there and the FDA doesnt care.. we need to push the FDA into getting this to market.. also the FDA is an industry-influenced agency . this means that if a jealous company or industry of companies fear the potential of a new product which may grab their profits from them, theyll do wat it takes to influence the FDA from approving it.. its happened many times to so many promising drugs.. so much for your stupid FDA.

[Scientalk56]

1- Drugs like what have been approved in a "quick" process ?
2- How can you push the FDA into approving a drug?

[koolx]

1- Drugs like what have been approved in a "quick" process ?
2- How can you push the FDA into approving a drug?

an excellent example is maxi-K gene therapy for ED sufferers. it was a cure for ED that passed FDA trials with flying colors. but at the last minute, the FDA pulled the plug on it cuz it wasnt a drug for "serious conditions" like cancer, HIV, etc. yeah right! we all know why the FDA didnt approve it.. cuz big companies like pfizer and merck influenced or bribed it from being sold in the market.

[hellouser]

Many people here analyze stuff based on their poor knowledge in science. Posts like "lets push the FDA or Histogen to release the product earlier" is one of the posts that makes me laugh hard. Those Stuff (Clinical trails, researches) need time and effort.
They need time, money, manpower, etc.. it's not a school assignment that they have to give early. it's a clinical trail for god's sake.

Since I know youre referring to me on this, I'm going to add my 2 cents on this.

What is the reason for the FDA taking years longer to approve of a product or procedure when Aderans and Histogen have completed all of their clinical trials? Hmm?

Aderans is starting their Phase III trials this year, theyre finishing up Phase II in the next couple of months. Given than Phase III takes about 1 year, why would you laugh at anyone for trying to push the FDA for approval when all the trials and data, safety, efficacy etc have all been finalized?

I think youre naive if youre under the impression that the FDA will do a solid job of approval for a company thats been doing research for nearly a decade if they take a number of years longer to give the go-ahead.

[Kiwi]

Since I know youre referring to me on this, I'm going to add my 2 cents on this.

What is the reason for the FDA taking years longer to approve of a product or procedure when Aderans and Histogen have completed all of their clinical trials? Hmm?

Aderans is starting their Phase III trials this year, theyre finishing up Phase II in the next couple of months. Given than Phase III takes about 1 year, why would you laugh at anyone for trying to push the FDA for approval when all the trials and data, safety, efficacy etc have all been finalized?

I think youre naive if youre under the impression that the FDA will do a solid job of approval for a company thats been doing research for nearly a decade if they take a number of years longer to give the go-ahead.

I'm laughing at your naïveté, I wish us mere plebs could speed it up but we can't. It's American beauroracy. Ill tell you one thing - if you guys make the mistake of electing a red neck Christian whos opposed to stem cell research we're all ****ed!!!

God bless Obama voters.

Oh yeah and for the record everything new takes about 15 years to go through FDA approval no matter what.

[koolx]

What is the reason for the FDA taking years longer to approve of a product or procedure when Aderans and Histogen have completed all of their clinical trials? Hmm?

Aderans is starting their Phase III trials this year, theyre finishing up Phase II in the next couple of months. Given than Phase III takes about 1 year, why would you laugh at anyone for trying to push the FDA for approval when all the trials and data, safety, efficacy etc have all been finalized?

hey did u read my last post as to why we should push the FDA? theres a powerful group of HT docs called the HT mafia. and when they dont want to lose their profits to something like histogen, i'm sure theyll influence the FDA to "question" its safety and release.

[Kiwi]

hey did u read my last post as to why we should push the FDA? theres a powerful group of HT docs called the HT mafia. and when they dont want to lose their profits to something like histogen, i'm sure theyll influence the FDA to "question" its safety and release.

That's a good practical reason for f u c k heads on TBT to stop debating future treatments with their non science / non trained angles.

If anything we should make a site supporting histogen and aderans and promote it.

And Id get behind Gho similarly if certain people agreed to keep the negative side of the arguing / debate / study to separate threads.

Ironman? What say you?

[hellouser]

hey did u read my last post as to why we should push the FDA? theres a powerful group of HT docs called the HT mafia. and when they dont want to lose their profits to something like histogen, i'm sure theyll influence the FDA to "question" its safety and release.

And they are *nothing* compared to the collective group of everyone else in the balding community. After Phase III trials are over there is no reason for further delays, Phase I proved safety years ago.

Its your duty as a citizen to squash bullshit from the 'mafia' eventhough you shouldnt have to have this duty. (utopian outlook). HT docs will still have jobs, they'll just have to adjust their business and this needs to happen; out with the old, in with the new.

I would not accept any release past 2015 from Aderans should the FDA stall them. I'd raise absolute hell.

[garethbale]

Oh yeah and for the record everything new takes about 15 years to go through FDA approval no matter what.

15 years ? Really ?

If that's the case why are Histogen / Replicel / Aderans mentioning release dates in the next few years? I know they want to keep us interested but surely they would not give us these time frames if FDA approval took 15 years.