Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[FearTheLoss]

Ok, I think I may have got a bit confused here, although I don't know for sure, but I think I was wrong in saying 40% of the 60%, looks like it's 40% of the total. Still that means that only 40 people out of 100 got 13 new hairs per sq cm. Also is it really Propecia without the side effects? Those that respond well to Propecia get regrowth and stabilisation of further hair loss, there's still nothing to say that Aderans will halt further loss, I really really hope it will and I hope it will do it with more certainty than Propecia as well but as of yet there's no proof of that. If this only grows as much hair as Propecia in 40% and doesn't halt further loss it's not as good as propecia - it's more like minoxidil. Propecia has a resonse rate somewhere in the 80's right? So clinically twice as many people respond to Propecia.

trust me, aderans won't release a product that isn't better than propecia...they have too much money behind them and people expect too much of them for them to come out with something like that.

[garethbale]

Got a pic of your hairline?

I have some somewhere, haven't uploaded any to my computer. Might do in a couple of days.


Fear the loss
Okay, a few people have had success on the front with it, but its generally accepted to work better on the crown

[yeahyeahyeah]

Gho regenerates 80%+ of donor...you can pack your hairline fine and still be able to come back numerous times

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

[FearTheLoss]

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

If you saw the article we were discussing in this thread

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11311&page=2

they announced they are starting phase III (article is on page 2 of the thread right above the highlighted portion)

[garethbale]

Tbh if Aderans gets into phase 3 , it might be worth going to gho for the time being.

Gareth bale it sounds as though your hairloss is not aggressive, I.e your hairline is going back a couple of mm every year.

Yeah I want to do something about my hairline sooner or later. Was considering a small frontal piece to blend in with my hair but wouldn't want anyone to notice.

I would rather my own hair so am thinking about Gho, but I have always been cautious of surgery. Plus I am saving for a deposit on a flat and it annoys me that a big chunk of it may go on a HT.

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

[FearTheLoss]

Yeah I want to do something about my hairline sooner or later. Was considering a small frontal piece to blend in with my hair but wouldn't want anyone to notice.

I would rather my own hair so am thinking about Gho, but I have always been cautious of surgery. Plus I am saving for a deposit on a flat and it annoys me that a big chunk of it may go on a HT.

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

I'd say a 2.5/3 based on the pictures

[Conpecia]

Cmon man a hair piece with that loss? You're maybe NW2.5 at worst, more like 2.1, solid coverage. You definitely don't "look" bald. No one but us other bald-obsessed guys would even think you're losing hair. Your hair looks awesome buzzed, just hang on until these treatments come out and if it gets worse have a touch up in two years. Def wouldn't get an ht for that loss.

[garethbale]

Cmon man a hair piece with that loss? You're maybe NW2.5 at worst, more like 2.1, solid coverage. You definitely don't "look" bald. No one but us other bald-obsessed guys would even think you're losing hair. Your hair looks awesome buzzed, just hang on until these treatments come out and if it gets worse have a touch up in two years. Def wouldn't get an ht for that loss.

yeah maybe, my hair is wet in the second and third pics so it looks a bit thinner. My hair if strong on top and my brother, who is 5 years older than me is receding in the same pattern, so I may go for a frontal HT in the next couple of years, Then hope Aderans/Histogen can come out a few years after that

I doubt a buzz cut suits me though. I am quite short and I think the buzz cut looks better on taller guys

[UK_]

I say you're a NW2/2.5 - closer to a solid NW2 though.

If Dr Gho can offer to move a hairline forward by even 1cm each year and still retain 80% donor then why are we all waiting for Histogen update? (Especially Iron_Man, why is he waiting for Histogen update?).

[FearTheLoss]

I say you're a NW2/2.5 - closer to a solid NW2 though.

If Dr Gho can offer to move a hairline forward by even 1cm each year and still retain 80% donor then why are we all waiting for Histogen update? (Especially Iron_Man, why is he waiting for Histogen update?).

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

[FearTheLoss]

and its expensive as shit

[hellouser]

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

I'm having trouble believing that 1,400 is the average. Why only 1,400? There's been some cases of guys getting 4,000-6,000 mega-session hair transplants. Typical maximum graft donor amount is between 6-8,000 grafts. So why only 1,400 per session? The other problem I have with this is that the website clearly states 2,500 maximum in one session. Alright, so if I show up at the clinic with $15,000 for a 2,500 graft procedure why in the hell would he say NO to $15,000?

[UK_]

Ironman has already had a procedure with Gho I believe...and because you have to wait 9 months in between every procedure with Gho...so if you are a higher norwood it takes years to get to nw1 because you can only do 1400 (on average) grafts a year

FTL, I just think if something sounds too good to be true it usually is... this rule is like the word of God in the hair loss industry.

[Vox]

I have been slowly receding since about Sept 2003. These are some pics I took of my hair today after a haircut, and yesterday (hopefully they upload properly). My hair is not thinning at all on top but the front is getting a bit thin and I can't style it how I'd like anymore

What Norwood would you say I am at the moment?

Oh, come on, this is all the hair you managed to lose in ... ten years? Totally pathetic!

You are doing just fine. As the others said, you look like a solid NW 2, max 2.5.

[Vox]

I'm having trouble believing that 1,400 is the average. Why only 1,400? There's been some cases of guys getting 4,000-6,000 mega-session hair transplants. Typical maximum graft donor amount is between 6-8,000 grafts. So why only 1,400 per session? The other problem I have with this is that the website clearly states 2,500 maximum in one session. Alright, so if I show up at the clinic with $15,000 for a 2,500 graft procedure why in the hell would he say NO to $15,000?

I think the main concern is the regeneration of the donor zone. They must have evidence that a massive session would damage it beyond repair, pretty much in the way it happens during normal FUE.

Also, I think that the advertised 2500 grafts sessions are not for everyone. I have no specific information about this but my gut feeling is that this is the absolute maximum they can reach in a big enough head with optimum donor density.

Ensuring donor regeneration is key in this technique. I am sure that they will never risk a failure in regeneration and, therefore, in their reputation. This must be the main limiting factor. The products of Aderans and Histogen discussed here may seem subpar at this moment, but who knows which could be the potential applications in donor regeneration in the Gho technique. Hopefully they will solve the regeneration problem no matter how big the session is.