Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[Kiwi]

It's called science man! I only bank on Histogen working personally...Injecting the scalp with growth factors is the most essential step to fighting hair loss.

Don't worry too much about 534623 (aka ironman).

He's a Histogen skeptic and a Dr Gho fan boy.

[Kiwi]

I always wonder how you guys conclude that something from Histogen, Replicel, Aderans etc will work?

Is it because they simply claim A) "It works!" or is it because you guys (wishful)think B) "It has to work even if it doesn't work!" ?

So your thoughts are based on WHAT exactly?
A) or B) - both?

Wow.

You just described the same way you conclude your own opinions about Dr Gho and his HST 3.0 magic slicey dicey crap.

Of course I'm not going to let that stop me booking a Gho transplant (I believe he is the FUE gold standard). And nor should that let you not get a Histogen shot when they launch.

Now grow up ironman and stop trolling. It is just not cool to piss on other peoples parades - please don't kill our hope

[clarence]

(I believe he is the FUE gold standard).

Could you please discuss this further in the Gho section of the forum or point us to a thread where you discuss it?

[Kiwi]

Could you please discuss this further in the Gho section of the forum or point us to a thread where you discuss it?

These are pretty convincing. I don't care what anybody else says - to me its just glorified FUE and I hope everybody starts doing it the Gho way :P

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=11132

http://www.baldtruthtalk.com/showthread.php?t=10940

[Kiwi]

Oh and calling it glorified FUE isnt meant to be derogatory at all. I'm becoming a believer - and I want it. But I also want histogen when it comes

[clarence]

Oh and calling it glorified FUE isnt meant to be derogatory at all. I'm becoming a believer - and I want it. But I also want histogen when it comes

Who gives a fck about your gloryhole.

[JJJJrS]

It's based on clinical trails..
but more research have to be done, on larger number of people (phase III) so the FDA can approve the drug.
At this point, i think it's early to conclude anything.. we have to wait until phase III.
Hope it will work

I think it's reasonable to be skeptical of Histogen at this point.

Most of the key photographic evidence Histogen has released so far has come from this document. If you look closely at the pictures in that document there's a couple of things that seem off.

First, take a look at the macro photographs that are posted, for example, the bottom before and after macro photographs labelled "S2018." If you zoom into those photos and actually count the hairs, there is practically no difference in the hair count for the before and after. I'd encourage you to try this out if you have any doubts. Needless to say, the numbers posted on the side do not match at all.

If you look at the top before and after macro photographs labelled "S1016," the direction of the hairs, their arrangement, and even the skin tone looks different. In other words, the before and after areas don't seem to match up.

Finally, if you look at the other before and after photographs in the third column, the conditions seem totally different. The before pictures are blasted with flash and the lighting seems much harsher than the after shots. This is a classic technique used to make results appear much more impressive than they actually are.

So my question is, why would Histogen resort to this? Of course, I'd love for them to succeed but manipulating photos and numbers like that doesn't sit well with me. Just remember for a second that these pictures are probably the best they could show too.

[Thinning87]

We've been over the picture issue a thousand times in this thread...

[JJJJrS]

We've been over the picture issue a thousand times in this thread...

What else do you propose we talk about? Judging by your posts, it seems you'd rather talk about your plans for Histogen's release when we don't even know whether it works.

I'm not here to bring anyone down, I just would like a realistic picture of Histogen instead of wishful thinking. Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly about their results would make you so excited? There's obvious inconsistencies with every single photo they've released and this was their "best" results.

[Scientalk56]

What else do you propose we talk about? Judging by your posts, it seems you'd rather talk about your plans for Histogen's release when we don't even know whether it works.

I'm not here to bring anyone down, I just would like a realistic picture of Histogen instead of wishful thinking. Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly about their results would make you so excited? There's obvious inconsistencies with every single photo they've released and this was their "best" results.

No one should make any plan. It means nothing Until it's FDA approved.
What people are trying to do here - is to have some hope. but everyone here should be careful with that hope.

[hellouser]

No one should make any plan. It means nothing Until it's FDA approved.

Too true although given timelines and some kind of knowledge of whats happening will give us options for future treatments. I mean, suppose Histogen said "We've filed our application for FDA approval and expect to be given the green light in 3 months'

Well, what do you do then? Go for a FUT/FUE transplant in the next three months? What if it were 6 months? Or 12 months? Do you still go for a temporary fix with an HT? I'd like to be given SOME kind of notice as to whats going to happen... or what to expect.

I agree that its too early to get excited as if the product was released TODAY but that doesnt mean we shouldnt have any expectations.

[Scientalk56]

Well, what do you do then? Go for a FUT/FUE transplant in the next three months? What if it were 6 months? Or 12 months? Do you still go for a temporary fix with an HT? I'd like to be given SOME kind of notice as to whats going to happen... or what to expect.
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lol i would do nothing. i'm not planning to have ht or fue. i don't even take propecia. My only treatment is rogaine foam. The most important thing for me is safety.

What Histogen claims to offer is safe, effective , non-invasive* long term treatment.
*non-invasive - Histogen injections are not considered invasive because its not a surgery like Hair Transplant.

I don't think i need more than that. for me it's a cure. (i'm Nw 2-3)
What Histogen need to do is to get FDA Approval after phase 2/3 is done.

[FearTheLoss]

What else do you propose we talk about? Judging by your posts, it seems you'd rather talk about your plans for Histogen's release when we don't even know whether it works.

I'm not here to bring anyone down, I just would like a realistic picture of Histogen instead of wishful thinking. Maybe I'm missing something, but what exactly about their results would make you so excited? There's obvious inconsistencies with every single photo they've released and this was their "best" results.

In the photos they only treated a small portion of the head, not the whole head. That is why the pictures don't look astonishing, what is exciting is they grew hair in the spots they were trying too, I think, they are going to inject more often and over a wider area in the next trail.

[JJJJrS]

In the photos they only treated a small portion of the head, not the whole head. That is why the pictures don't look astonishing, what is exciting is they grew hair in the spots they were trying too, I think, they are going to inject more often and over a wider area in the next trail.

If you look at the bottom before and after macro-photo and count the hairs, like I did , than you would see that there is hardly a difference at all. Definitely not even close to a 35+% increase in hair like the statistic beside the picture says. The other macro-photo doesn't even look like the same area at all. Just compare the hair pattern and direction. Finally, the photos in the third column have totally different lighting conditions making a comparison almost useless.

So my issue is not so much that the results weren't impressive enough but rather with the way they're presented. Histogen has mentioned some impressive sounding numbers in their press releases. There must be a basis for these numbers but these pictures prove nothing.

I want Histogen or any other hair loss solution in the pipeline to work. It's in the experimental stages and they deserve time to work on things. But the pictures they posted are highly suspicious to me and I just don't understand why a credible company working on a hairloss cure would try to pass these off as serious results.

[koolx]

Oh and calling it glorified FUE isnt meant to be derogatory at all. I'm becoming a believer - and I want it. But I also want histogen when it comes

so dr gho combines stem cells with an ht procedure? can someone post convincing pics showing this works?