Histogen at the ISHRS conference

[hellouser]

If and when they do release aderans...what is the price range for this treatment...someone said 15 grand before...would anyone really pay 15 grand for this ?

I'd pay double. Self esteem, confidence, happiness, socially accepted physical appearance has no price tag to me.

15k I'd be happy with. Considering there isn't much work involved, it shouldn't cost more than 15k or even more than 10k.

How much would you pay?

[john2399]

I'd pay double. Self esteem, confidence, happiness, socially accepted physical appearance has no price tag to me.

15k I'd be happy with. Considering there isn't much work involved, it shouldn't cost more than 15k or even more than 10k.

How much would you pay?

id pay 15 grand if it will be able to grow a good amount of hair. If it only stops further hairloss with minimal hairgrowth, id pay 5k-7k.

[Desmond84]

If and when they do release aderans...what is the price range for this treatment...someone said 15 grand before...would anyone really pay 15 grand for this ?

Price tag will depend on what it can achieve.

$15,000 is a lot of money to simply provide slight regrowth! If they can do what they claim (DHT immune follicles) then may be it is.

Remember $15,000 will be for early MPB, the more advanced your hair loss the cheaper it will be since less area will be treated!

[Kiwi]

Price tag will depend on what it can achieve.

$15,000 is a lot of money to simply provide slight regrowth! If they can do what they claim (DHT immune follicles) then may be it is.

Remember $15,000 will be for early MPB, the more advanced your hair loss the cheaper it will be since less area will be treated!

$15K... For guaranteed slight hair growth and the halting of future loss?

Done!

[koolx]

Its your duty as a citizen to squash bullshit from the 'mafia' eventhough you shouldnt have to have this duty. (utopian outlook). HT docs will still have jobs, they'll just have to adjust their business and this needs to happen; out with the old, in with the new.

I would not accept any release past 2015 from Aderans should the FDA stall them. I'd raise absolute hell.

i agree. we should really push the FDA into eariler release of aderans and histogen. seriously, its about time.

A quick look at wikipedia showed an average approval time for drugs of 7 years. Protests were done in the 80s/90s over HIV drugs to and some were given a pass only 2 years after.

Finasteride at 5mg was approved in 1992. At 1mg it was approved by 1997.

I'd expect this kind of passive behaviour and mentality from Canadians since they are major pussies when it comes to raising their voice against governing bodies, but I'm shocked to see this from Americans too.

youre absolutely right about the FDA expediting drugs in the past due to public outcries. even though its not a life/death issue, balding is a serious medical issue can destroy not just the individual "diseased" with it, but his relationships also.

u said that 5mg finasteride was approved in '92 but 1mg was approved in '97? i think u got the yrs mixed up.

and i agree about the americans being passive. americans are slow and not smart. if this were france, spain, korea or england, this med wouldve been out yrs ago. even cuba is faster to bringing a med out than the FDA.

Add me to the list of 1984 kids. George Orwell's book has also had an impact on my life too.... always taking everything with a grain of salt.

ahhh.. 1984.. the best year of the gen xer's.. duran duran, punk, robotech, gi joe.. lol. i loved that year.

I'm in the same boat; I don't want an HT either, but will be going for one with Gho and waiting for Aderans as well for a permanent halt at least, if they can get that done, I'll be ecstatic. My hair isn't so thin that anyone would point it out, but my hairline is what bothers me most... having a gigantic looking forehead sucks (and oddly enough its much worse in pictures).

I've mentioned this before but I'd really like to see a community effort push the FDA to give Aderans the green light shortly after their Phase III trials. We *need* to do something.

i'm in a similar boat.. i got hair all over but my hairline is fu'cking with me. i'm not bald but i'm thinning a bit which is a bitch to comb to make sure it looks thick.

and i agree about pushing the Fu'ckinDumbAgency for aderans and histogen. but we got to make a concerted effort. every single day that passes by means more permanent shedding of hairs that wont grow back.

[SoClose]

How would we go about "rallying" the FDA? Petition? I'm clueless as to how this business works.

[534623]

i agree about pushing the Fu'ckinDumbAgency for aderans and histogen. but we got to make a concerted effort. every single day that passes by means more permanent shedding of hairs that wont grow back.

I do not agree, because the same will happen after FDA approval.

[2020]

They will definitely have something out in 2015!

What it's potentials are as a new therapy will be announced in June this year!

It's just a matter of waiting and remaining positive!

... can you name any other cosmetic or other treatment that became available EXACTLY as it was done finishing its phase 3 studies OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES?

[gmonasco]

How would we go about "rallying" the FDA?

Threaten that you'll boycott them and take your business to another federal agency (like the ATF or BLM) instead.

[Kiwi]

... can you name any other cosmetic or other treatment that became available EXACTLY as it was done finishing its phase 3 studies OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES?

Can you name any that havent?

(i just want to see you waste your time collating all that data - because the people on this particular thread don't care about your non thread related blah)

So. Go on. Name some that havent mate? We reeeeeeallllly give a s h i t.

[hellouser]

How would we go about "rallying" the FDA? Petition? I'm clueless as to how this business works.

Its not really a business, the FDA is a governing body. You go about it by tapping into every resource possible and basically calling them out on as large scale as possible.... basically making them look really bad.

Get in touch with local, provincial/state tv news, radio, local and national newspapers, bloggers (yes, even them), get spencer to spread the word through his own connections, run campaigns via facebook, twitter, setup a website and keep it active, create videos sharing life struggles, depression, anxiety, stress, etc..... tell a story people can connect with, reach out to politicians who have other connections, organize an actually outdoor rally RIGHT IN FRONT of the FDA's head office, leave handouts, get physical signed petitions (e-petitions are worthless)... etc. etc. etc.

Its not a 'one route' rally.... you basically have to cover all areas and gain the media's attention and for them to spread the publicity. If its done right, it could go national or even international. Think of how many stupid internet campaigns exist... like the kids who asked for 1million votes to get a PS3 or something.

I work in graphic design, marketing and web development, I'm basically the go-to guy for anything creative at my current job, which is why I also know photography quite well as I've explained before the difficulties in getting consistent photographs from Aderans/Histogen showing their results. I'm more than willing to get the ball rolling on an awareness campaign and get the FDA to give Aderans the green light soon after Phase III next year but ONLY if there are others who are willing to put in the time doing this.

Basically we'd need to start off with a name, logo and mission statement. Then gather information, content, video etc. Make a website, put everything together. Then make facebook & twitter accounts to tap into social media. Then you need to make the right phone calls to the right people. I rallied 2 years alongside Jack Layton but it was only possible when me and my friends made enough phone calls and got on the news that he noticed us. Its not hard work, its just tedious stuff that requires a lot of strategy and planning.

If anyone wants to go through with this, lets start a new thread and see what we can do as a community and get our hair back ON TIME from Aderans without the FDA screwing us over.

[Desmond84]

... can you name any other cosmetic or other treatment that became available EXACTLY as it was done finishing its phase 3 studies OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES?

No! They won't have to!

Phase 2 finishes in April 2013.

If they stick to their plans, Phase 3 should start in Sep-Oct 2013.

Phase 3 will be a 12 month trial + 2-3 months of data analysis. (i.e. Phase 3 completion date ~ Jan 2015)

They would then apply for FDA approval which generally takes 8-10 mnths.

This would mean, Ji Gami can be available in clinics across USA by November 2015!

[534623]

They would then apply for FDA approval which generally takes 8-10 mnths.

This would mean, Ji Gami can be available in clinics across USA by November 2015!

And then - what?
A full head of hair again?

[Desmond84]

LMAO Iron_Man! Where did u find that LOL

Maybe so...Maybe so!

- Fingers Crossed

[534623]

LMAO Iron_Man! Where did u find that LOL

The analogy is - the big hole in the ceiling the guy in the video is looking at, is like seeing the tonsure area after you got Histogen or Aderans injections.

So perhaps you (and your girlfriend) will react in a similar way many month after injections...